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Trumpet Mic?

Postby Guest » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:27 pm

Hi All

I have a client wanting to do a trumpet recording very soon and I was wondering if anyone had any advive on a mic that may be a good choice for the session.

My experence with brass insturments has mainly been in a live situation rather than a recording, so I'm keen to try something new. Any advice is appreciated.

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Postby mfdu » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:32 pm

because i'm on a ribbon kick right now, i say use a ribbon.

is the trumpet playing as a solo overdub, or as part of a group?

i've had good results with about 1m to 2m in front, off-axis to the bell.

have also jammed sm57 close to the bell, but it isn't as cohesive.

kinda like drums, the trumpet can produce such SPL that you can only really do it justice when you give it some room.

my $0.02

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Postby rick » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:51 pm

i have always had success with a neumann u47 fet for brass
although i have seen a zillion photos of rca 44 ribbons in the black and white jazz days,
you can hire a very healthy rca 44 from us if your local
we dont have a 47 fet for hire at the moment
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Postby Steve » Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:18 am

I used to play in a big band.

Best ever recording session came of some old Calrec mics - they were about 5 inches long and perfectly cylindrical.

Otherwise, think Neumann.

The choice is less critical if the horn is muted.
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Postby mal stanley » Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:52 pm

If you are recording digitally, a ribbon mic really helps to soften the transients...AEW R84 I use..or an older valve mic..AKG C12A
or a dark modern condensor like a Neumann TLM 170..bright instrument..darker mic philosophy..
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Postby davemc » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:50 pm

Ribbons nice. I use a M160 or Stereo Royer a bit.
LDC mics but see what suits.
Also some Dynamics if budget is tight
M88,MD421,MD441, RE20, SM7.

Best to have a few around and see what is best.
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Postby Linear » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:33 pm

Steve wrote:I used to play in a big band.

Best ever recording session came of some old Calrec mics - they were about 5 inches long and perfectly cylindrical.

Otherwise, think Neumann.

The choice is less critical if the horn is muted.


I've got a pair of those Calrec mics. They're not actually great for much, but do work well on brass.

Honestly I think the choice of mic isn't critical for a trumpet. you can fart about with condensors and ribbons, but the best sounds I've had for brass have been either from a Josephson C42 (yes a SDC) or a plain old Beyer M69. I'm sure a 57 would do just fine too.

mic placement and/or room sound is much more important. don't close-mic it, mic it from 2 or 3 metres in front. make sure it's sounding good where it is and get the player nice and comfortable with what he/she's hearing.

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Postby mfdu » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:42 pm

yeah thats it - give the sound plenty of room to gell.

we are, i take it, talking about trumpet as a solo instrument? not an ensemble, and not horn section in a band?

if an ensemble, first thing i'd do is get a room mic in the right space, then cuild close mics from there if needed.

if a soloist and you're having trouble, stick a mic beside/behind the horn-ists ear. hear what they hear - capture the resonance of the instrament combined with room reflections, but no direct blast of air from the bell.

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Postby Simon B » Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:51 pm

I was happy with the results of aea r84 through a 6176..... of axis about a metre and a half away from the mic.
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Postby Guest » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:47 am

Thanks every one for the advice I think I'm going to try a ribbon mic, not sure what yet.

I'm based in brisbane so if anyones got any good places that might have them as hire stock that would be great. So far I've had no luck as most of my regular hire places stock live gear and there recording gear is a little more low end.

As for the recording it is a solo trumpet, however for some of the pieces it will be layed into a multi track with keys, up right bass, guitar, drums and what ever else the composer find interesting at the time.

Thanks again
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Postby mfdu » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:30 am

i had a quick look at mixmasters - http://www.mixmasters.com.au/hire/index.htm
there are certianly some tasty jobbies specced on their hire sheet.

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Postby Jason » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:50 pm

Hi Tony,

I'm not sure if you have tried this guy yet but he has some very yummy gear.

His name is Dominic & his company name is AVIT.
PH:07 3314 8552 or email him at info@av-it.com.au

Give him a call, he will be more than happy to help you out.

Tell him Jason from Grevillea sent ya.

Cheers
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