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Drum re amping

Postby Dave77 » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:06 pm

I have always heard of this concept but I'm wanting to hear from anyone who has done it and to hear if you have had much success?
How did you go about it?

I have a session coming up and for strange reasons I won't go into I will be baffling off the drums and using close mics only and most likely a kick tent.

Any feedback will be appreciated
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Re: Drum re amping

Postby tunetown » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:55 pm

Hi Dave,

Not sure what you mean by drum re-amping but you can sample replace using plugins like Drumagog and Slate trigger. I use Slate trigger when I need to and it does a good job.

http://stevenslatedrums.com/trigger-2-platinum/
http://www.drumagog.com/

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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Text_Edifice » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:42 pm

For real drums the only people I've really heard of doing this were Jeff Lang and a couple of punk guys who'd push their whole kit sound out a PA in a different room to give it a bigger than life thump.

I did one drum tracking session where I sent the kick and snare through a screamingly loud bass amp with some room mics up and it definitely gave a sound. I haven't been especially keen on doing it again though.

For sampled drums I know lots of guys who run their stuff through distortion pedals and into amps to get a bit of 'air' on the sound. It's just one approach and I dunno if it's heaps different to just running it through amp sim plugins or outboard, but it definitely gives the sounds something different.
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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Text_Edifice » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:46 pm

In terms of process (which was the question) if running into a guitar or bass amp I'd use a send out to a reamp box / di and then into the amp. If running into a PA you can obviously just run line level in (you could probably get away with this anyway depending on level).

Depending on what you want to achieve I have almost always had success running drums into guitar pedals as a console insert in lieu /as well as comps / eq's.
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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Grey Al » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:40 pm

Then there's this method for just snare
Around 14 mins
https://youtu.be/jtNgQAA91Ro
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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Dave77 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:21 pm

Hey guys, thank you for the responses,
I have many effects units and replace and blend some kick drums ocassionally.
I guess re amp is unfortunate way to describe it.
Basically I am referring to sending a send of the close mics back out into a larger space to attempt to capture a real room since I'm unable to really utilise room mics during the session due to the large amount of spill that will be in it,

I'm thinking just a pa or decent speakers and sending out my drums to them and recording back into my Soundfield mic...

I guess I just wondered if it was worth the effort or I should just create a fake room with ocean way plug in or bricasti or similar...

Maybe I'm just boring and lazy asking and I should just get on with attempting it and testing the results.
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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Wiz » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:30 pm

I use a bricasti to simulate what you are talking about...

I really think its fabulous at that.

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Re: Drum re amping

Postby tony » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:07 pm

I have done the trick with a pair of monitors and a soundfield mic before, was only really worth it on stuff where I was in a distinct space that I had receded other instrument live and need to add other recording back into to blend.
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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Dave77 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:51 am

Thanks Peter and Tony for responses.
Good to hear Tony...
Looking forward to experimenting
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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Paul Maybury » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:17 pm

Hi Dave, if I was you I would use your big main storage area and stick a nice sounding single monitor out there fed from an aux send on the desk , sprinkle some mics around in corners etc, bring them up on the board and see which you like. Record the stereo blend that you want, back into the session. Hey presto, drum room.
Experiment with distance and monitoring volume. Play around with having the mic and speaker point in different directions, around corners from each other etc. Also try omni mics right up hard against a solid wall. Try some lo fi mics. Try an Auratone speaker, or old weird hi fi. Lot's to play with. Never tried it with a guitar amp, but I can see how that would be cool.
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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Dave77 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:34 am

Hey Paul, yeah warehouse is the idea I have also, all of what you've said I have in mind to try out.
If only I didn't have annoying hipster artists living next door I would do this in a permanent set up and record it in real time.
Wish I owned the building I'd just expand the build ..
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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Damien » Sat May 13, 2017 1:13 am

We tracked 2 albums in a smaller live room recently ( in Nashville, that was a blast but another story).
I have since re amped all the drum tracks in our large room and now have the best balance of both.
The slower tracks and the whacky tracks have come alive. Like all "room" stuff not all of it has made it to the final mix
But some of the tracks really needed that missing something that wasn't captured in the original tracking session.
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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Drumstruck » Sun May 14, 2017 4:29 pm

Interesting thread gents
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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Phil Snow » Fri May 26, 2017 4:35 pm

The bricasti, soundfield and mon approach work well...
My fav kik and sn through a fender twin down the hallway with a 57.

Drive it and blend to taste.

Doesn't work on jazz with brushes...

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Re: Drum re amping

Postby Dave77 » Sat May 27, 2017 12:59 pm

Thanks Guys.
Great to hear the ideas and stories of success.
I look forward to trying it all out...


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Re: Drum re amping

Postby seancook » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:46 am

i've reamped drums where I needed room sounds before.
usually just sending the kick, snare, and a little mono OH or something with a close-ish kit sound
also doing the auratone on top of a snare along side the PA speaker gives it a bit more life
so a blend of those two sounds

i've done the whole live PA in the room sub enforcement thing, and it has a sound, but rarely could I be bothered setting that all up. The room sound would need to be a very big part of the vibe
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