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Re: Snare drum mic

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 1:35 pm
by Paul Maybury
Been having fun with EV N/D 308 and 408 mics on snare lately. I'm always changing snare and tom mics. I guess I'll never be 100% happy, but I like the EV N/D mics this week. The new ones are good too.
Paul

Re: Snare drum mic

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:31 am
by berkfinger
I agree on the mic pre statements. I worked out a while ago that all my ideas about the best this or that had a lot to do with the consoles and pres I own.

201 often nicer than 57, but there is a magic to how my Electrodyne console talks to a 57.... very slow, no detail and distorted, but awesome somehow.

I’d rather a RadioShack mic and the Electrodyne than a Neumann and shitty pre!

I swapped out 57s for sm7s on gtr amps a while back and it’s sitting in the mix quicker and better... Royer can be cool but often a little tubby and boxy for my taste. M88s are pretty nice...

Re: Snare drum mic

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:52 pm
by Wiz
berkfinger wrote:I agree on the mic pre statements. I worked out a while ago that all my ideas about the best this or that had a lot to do with the consoles and pres I own.

201 often nicer than 57, but there is a magic to how my Electrodyne console talks to a 57.... very slow, no detail and distorted, but awesome somehow.

I’d rather a RadioShack mic and the Electrodyne than a Neumann and shitty pre!

I swapped out 57s for sm7s on gtr amps a while back and it’s sitting in the mix quicker and better... Royer can be cool but often a little tubby and boxy for my taste. M88s are pretty nice...



I have been using the Rode NTR on guitar cabs, since I got it.. maybe nearly 2 years ago?

before that SM57, Audix i5 MD421 etc etc

with the Rode.. plonk it down about a foot out, right at the cone.. done.

cheers

Wiz

Re: Snare drum mic

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:09 pm
by berkfinger
Older USA sm57 or 201 (if you want it a bit more open) into Electrodyne console (pushed hard if you want crunch) into Quad Eight Compressor tickling a few Dbs to hold it in the sweet spot of Studer A820. At mixdown I like a trick stolen from Nick Launay - don’t compress the snare mic, but mult it to another console channel, gate it, knock all :p the top end off and distort it with a sansamp or Decapitator. That blended in to taste gives me all the rms energy I need, with the distortion controls you can really shape the snare note and it keeps openness, dynamics and clarity via the unprocessed snare channel.

I find the Shure mics just love USA 70s transistor pres... one of the best snare recordings I ever heard was an RCA BK5A though...

Re: Snare drum mic

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:28 pm
by stosostu
Excuse my ignorance, Simon, but I am old school, in fact probably ancient school, and what I try to capture is the actual sound of all the instruments I record, including snare drums, so I am confused by all the gizmo's and distortion you seem to need to use. Does the end result sound anything like a snare drum. Please don't take this as a flame, I am truly interested on why and what the final result is that you are achieving.

Re: Snare drum mic

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:46 pm
by berkfinger
Totally get what you are saying! But I guess my job is to help artists achieve their vision.

I don’t manipulate peoples sounds without asking them if they want or like the result...

Some days the gig is capturing an accurate depiction of an acoustic situation and

some days it involves a lot of processing.

That technique I described has been helpful in achieving a consistent, powerful snare tone for

rock and pop stuff, that competes with electronic drums sonically while

retaining the live feel of a real drummer. Lots of people throw a snare sample in,

but I find blending the gated, dark distorted snare send in parallel (often very subtly) gives me a solid tone with

the diction and dynamic of the drum still (relatively) in place...

People have been distorting things in popular music for around 70 years now...

And the guitarist is allowed a fuzz pedal, why can’t the drummer have one?

Re: Snare drum mic

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:09 am
by stosostu
Thanks for the reply, Simon, and the detailed explanation. I guess whatever achieves the desired outcome is the way to go. B-)

Re: Snare drum mic

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:57 pm
by Chris H
iv'e been using distortion similar to simon on snare and bass for years. Not on every recording but when the technique fits. For in the box mixing I find Logics basic distortion is very handy for variety of parameters you can adjust.

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I normally set the drive parameter fairly low, then adjust the tone to suit, great for adding top end for bass.
Then by lowering the output it acts as a brick wall limiter. I will normally set this up on a buss and add to the original dry recording. As a rule of thumb i try the less is more approach because of the power and ease at your disposal using digital.
Its interesting Simon that you mention liking an old SM57. My favorite dynamic mic for snare is an old SM56.
My favorite snare mic is using the SM56 in combo with AKG 451 EB's as overhead. The snare in the overhead is the main snare mic with the SM 56 added. When using this technique i rarely add the distorted sidechain on the sm56.
This song was recorded to 1/2" 8 track using the 56 with 451 overhead mic set up:
https://soundcloud.com/hallamsound/hard ... ter-martin

Re: Snare drum mic

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:42 am
by chrisp
Had an interesting experience last weekend, engineering a 7 member band small arena (1000 people) gig. For the drums I used the venerable AKGD12 on the kick, SDCs as L and R OH (3031s I think they were) and a 12 Gauge Red condenser UNDER the snare. R OH pointed at the snare top, L OH essentially at the floor tom.

The drummer was really sceptical about this - he wanted the snare mic on top - until I pulled him off the stage into the audience area and got another band member to play the drums. He was enthralled by the mix with the OH getting the snare top and the under-snare adding a sizzle he didn't usually get. He got me to write down all my mics, mic placements and EQ settings 'cause he wants everyone to do it this way now.

Recording drums is different to live drums, for sure, and I wouldn't do it this way in a studio, but it's really interesting to overthrow conventional wisdom at times, because if everyone mics a snare the same way then every snare on every recording / gig will start to sound the same.

Re: Snare drum mic

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:16 am
by Paul Maybury
Hi Chrisp, I have done what you are talking about in recordings, it's kind of a blend of Bruce Botnick and Glynn Johns techniques. When I have done it has been Sony C38's for everything but the kick.
Parallel distortion/comp/ gate on snare can work wonders for a lifeless recording, or where only a top snare mic has been recorded, and all it's giving you is honk and hi hats.
I guess it's a similar idea to adding samples, but you are creating what's missing by processing the existing audio and adding that back in. Subs on a kick, white noise on a snare, growl and grab on a bass etc.
It works and it's fun to do, especially when you start automating this stuff.
Paul