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studio projects C1 $200

Postby Simon B » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:42 pm

the studio projects c1 large diaphragm condensor.

I am located in melbourne. and will happily deliver. or mail it to wherever it needs to go

comes with case, cradle and wind blocker.

$200

Simon 0422 654 632.
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Postby Simon B » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:13 pm

GONE!
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Postby Ausrock » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:54 pm

Damn, that was quick :-)

I wonder if I could sell my T3 as quickly.
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Postby TimS » Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:31 pm

Ausrock wrote:Damn, that was quick :-)

I wonder if I could sell my T3 as quickly.

Sorry Ausrock..
Been looking for another for a while..
Just been waiting and watching.
Simon posted just at the right time!!
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Postby Ausrock » Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:43 pm

No problems here Tim...........I wasn't wanting it, was just surprised how quickly it went. Anyways, if I need any additional SP gear I'd probably source new from the US.

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Postby TimS » Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:46 pm

Ausrock wrote:No problems here Tim...........I wasn't wanting it, was just surprised how quickly it went. Anyways, if I need any additional SP gear I'd probably source new from the US.

:-)

Yeah, I was thinking of the same, as there wasnt much SP gear on Evilbay in Oz..
I bought my first C1 from the US also a couple of yrs ago.. Got it alot cheaper than in Oz..
Some more AT gear next.. ;-)
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Postby rob » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:28 pm

why would you buy from the US rather than locally?

Last year Mixmasters and FEA ( Australian distributers ) reset all their pricing to match US "street" pricing with an appropiate component added for shipping. Of course what you will pay locally is GST, which if you are lucky you'll escape paying if you buy OS. However if you are a business you'll be claiming back the GST anyway.

and...if your OS purchase breaks under warranty it's a long way to send it back for repair

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Postby TimS » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:34 pm

rob wrote:why would you buy from the US rather than locally?

Last year Mixmasters and FEA ( Australian distributers ) reset all their pricing to match US "street" pricing with an appropiate component added for shipping. Of course what you will pay locally is GST, which if you are lucky you'll escape paying if you buy OS. However if you are a business you'll be claiming back the GST anyway.

and...if your OS purchase breaks under warranty it's a long way to send it back for repair

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Rob,
Valid points I know.
However, on a limited budget, I have to save for things I need and if it saves me money (even just the GST component) then that is a cost savings felt in my pocket.
Also, when I bought my first C1, it was when prices here were quite high and the $ value was down!
I'm sourcing my AT mics from Oz though - trying to keep it all here in Oz when I can.
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Postby Ausrock » Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:56 pm

rob wrote:why would you buy from the US rather than locally?


On principle! Why? Because of the blatant profiteering on the earlier SP pricing.


rob wrote:Last year Mixmasters and FEA ( Australian distributers ) reset all their pricing to match US "street" pricing


Wow, and I should be impressed? At least in regard to SP products this issue has been going on for more than 4 years..........you can read about it (incl., Micks [almost laughable] contributions) in a thread I actually started about MXL mics that was quickly sidetracked, here..... http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=80146
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Postby rob » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:41 pm

I understand

but gee that was a long time ago and there were a few fundamental things that affected pricing back then that has changed.

One thing that has been / is hard for australian retailers and distributers is competing against the prices you find on US online stores. If you knew the prices these stores were paying for goods and therefore the tiny profits they are happy to make, you'd see that it is very hard for a distributer in Australia to buy at that same price, ship the goods over, pay duties and then hand the product on to a retailer and eveyone earn enough profit to exist.

Four years ago the Australian retail on SP mics was pretty close to the US retail with an allowance for shipping and duties. The perception of Australian prices being hugely inflated against US prices largely arose because when you hopped online and looked at US prices you weren't looking at US retail prices but heavily discounted "street" prices.

One of the fundamental changes over the past few years is most manufacturers have ditched RRP pricing and now have a MAP price, which is the minimum advertised price that a reseller can advertise. Often this MAP price is 30% less than the old RRP....thats a big difference and is the kind of factor that used to enter the equation years ago.

Anyway, i take your point and really am not bothered by where and for what reasons anyone buys anything these days, but personally i like supporting the local guy and am happy to pay a bit extra for it.

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Postby Ausrock » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:55 pm

This discussion really doesn't belong in this forum and is only going in this direction since Rob's initial comment.

Rob,

I don't think anyone expects to buy gear locally without having to pay the associated importation component and if you read that thread I referred to thoroughly, I think you would find that that was never really in question, what was being questioned was the disparity in pricing which fell squarely on the shoulders of the importer/distributors.

Four years ago, the differences between US "List" and Aust., RRP ranged from approx., 1% to 55% across the SP range depending on which mic you looked at and that was after the initial price reduction by FEA.

Considering the specific product being discussed, I'll have to ask Alan Hyatt whether he's implemented a MAP ;-)

BTW, I did buy my C1 from Mixmasters back in the early days.
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Postby Howard Jones » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:28 pm

The exchange rate is very different today compared to 4 years ago.
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Postby Kris » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:48 pm

true, it may be.... so why then when I ring a sydney sony dealer to buy a Sony HD Cam video deck yesterday did they quote me $82,000 when I can get one from the USA for $29,000usd??? Even with gst etc that's still a HELL of a mark up. Retailers better figure it out soon. Biting the hand that feeds you is bad for everyone's business. The punters will, and do, vote with their feet. Personally I'm tired of being ripped off or being seen as a sucker. My cash is as good as the next guy's and if you treat me well I will be a customer for life, or at least until I find out you're screwing me. Just ask the guys at Music Park in Perth. I still buy stuff from them and I have lived in Sydney for 7 years now.

The exchange rate now is even more reason for retailers to get their act together.
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Postby Howard Jones » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:03 pm

"so why then when I ring a sydney sony dealer to buy a Sony HD Cam video deck yesterday did they quote me $82,000 when I can get one from the USA for $29,000usd???"

No good asking me, nor anyone else on this forum. You can either complain about it to us - we can't help - or go back to the dealer and thrash it out with them. I'd be getting them to justify it to you. Mind you, a lot of places have sucker prices that they quote on the phone and then trot out their "real" prices once you set foot inside. It isn't right, but you have to convince a lot of these places that you are serious before they get also get serious.

SMPTE started today in Sydney. I'd go down there and talk to some of the Sony dealers, plus Sony itself. Tell them that your bank has approved your finance (doesn't hurt to tell white lies), that the money is burning a hole in your pocket and that if they don't come to the party on price then you're going to move on to the JVC and Panasonic stands and talk to them instead. Don't be shy about twisting arms.
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Postby Kris » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:18 pm

sorry Howard, wasn't having a shot at you.

The truth is, the bank HAS approved my finance and this sony dealer ain't getting one dollar of it. Because of him I will probably go offshore for it. Sony don't do direct sales anymore so it won't get any better talking to them. They referred me to the dodgy dealer in the first place.

Good advice re: SMPTE.
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Postby Howard Jones » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:43 pm

I didn't think you were having a shot. The difference between the 2 prices is sure worth exploring as to the reasons why.

SMPTE's definitely the place for a boy with cash burning a hole in his pocket. It's the only time that all the main manufacturers and distributors come together in one place. Definitely the place to nail a deal.
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Postby Ausrock » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:46 pm

Howard Jones wrote:No good asking me, nor anyone else on this forum.


No Howard, not you, BUT there are one or two others here who are either importer/distributors or who have an apparent symbiotic relationship with importer/distributors. Using an "I don't really care" reply could easily be construed as being a way out of a discussion they know they can't win where the real nuts, bolts and dollars are concerned.

And yes, the exchange rate has changed considerably which is better reflected in current prices........and sticking to the specific products, the percentage change in both RRP and dist., buying costs over the last four years is probably relatively similar, but this then affects the margins available to dealer/retailers, which in turn affects the price and it's flexibility to the consumer. Until we know the retailer's current buy price, it's not fair to point the finger at anyone regarding this issue, however, based on past history, it's not unreasonable to suspect the problem lies somewhere between the manufacturer and the retailer.
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Postby Howard Jones » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:04 am

"Until we know the retailer's current buy price"...

Kris - it is harsh to label this dealer "dodgy" because we do not know what price Sony is charging him. What you really should do is go on to the Sony stand at SMPTE and tell them exactly why you won't be buying from the dealer they recommended.
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Postby Kris » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:25 pm

yeah, that's true. I should choose my words a little more carefully, lest I land myself in legal troubles!
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Postby rob » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:33 pm

Whilst i don't really care where people buy their goods, i do care about this topic. I think it is an important discussion to be having, the world is a very different place these days when it comes to buying and selling.
I think it's fair to say that at least those of us involved with Mixmasters are open to having this discussion and do look at the global market place. I'm not sure how many other distributers do or are prepared to do this.

And if i was looking at buying something ( the Sony camera ) that was in the order of 100% more expensive locally, i'd be asking some hard questions

btw, i don't consider this a discussion i want to win, as i said, i just think it's a discussion worth having, this was the motivation for my original post

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Postby Sammas » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:20 pm

I've often wondered about the pricing of gear. Its cheaper to buy the new Buzz audio 500 series compressors from Atlas Pro Audio in the US, than from an Australia dealer. I don't understand it, given that they are made in New Zealand and that the New Zealand dollar has grown 10cents stronger in the last year against the US dollar, just like the aussie dollar has.

We aren't talking a small difference either, its $400aust cheaper to buy in the US. If anything, I thought it would have been more expensive to buy in the US. Someone told me its due to ecomonics of scale... that Australia has a much smaller market, thus smaller buying power. It sounds like a circular argument to me though, because I am going where the price is good, even if its on the other side of the world (I'm not made of money)... I would have thought the only way you can improve a market is by being competitive. Not by increasing the price and driving more people out of the market and into another. ...but like I said, maybe I just don't understand it.
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Postby davemc » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:14 pm

I remember looking at a Manley Vari-mu which was a lot more $'s then in the US. I got told duty and shippping. I said never cost me that much to bring in things before myself. Was told well you must of been lucky. I brought a Pendulum ES-8 which costs US$500 less or AUD$4k cheaper instead. Done this with a few items I always buy in OZ if I can although sometimes I would look at 3-4 different brands of a similar item and buy the one the OZ distributor did not mark up. Kurzwiel comes to mind as well as something I looked at laughed at the price and brought something else.
Some places have got themselves a lot better placed. Some are just blind to the fact people will buy the cheapest they can and not that stupid to be fooled by the duty makes it 50% more.
The one I always like is the price on Electric factorys web site for a Focusrite Red Series
RED3 RRP AUD$10,490 or US from sweetwater RRPUS$5599
RED1 RRP AUD$8,490 or US from sweetwater RRPUS$3699
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Postby Kris » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:44 pm

Sound devices is the same Dave.

I appreciate your input here Rob. I have to say though, that I do feel for any importer that buys an item when the dollar is not so good. It must suck if you bought something when the dollar was in the .60's and .70's. Word is that it's going to hit .90 before the end of the year.

The Sony issue is not one of those though. They're a custom order and take weeks to arrive. I don't really know what to make of it to be honest.
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Postby davemc » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:12 pm

Kris wrote:Sound devices is the same Dave.

I appreciate your input here Rob. I have to say though, that I do feel for any importer that buys an item when the dollar is not so good. It must suck if you bought something when the dollar was in the .60's and .70's. Word is that it's going to hit .90 before the end of the year.

The Sony issue is not one of those though. They're a custom order and take weeks to arrive. I don't really know what to make of it to be honest.

Hey Kris,
Yes that is if they have stock, where a lot of these places do not. The thing that annoys me more is the fact if you order, they wait to they get a few items together to save on shipping. I know I waited 4 months for a something from Electric Factory as they forgot and missed there shipment So I ordered it from Sweetwater and had it here in 3 days. Same as when I wanted a set of 421's no one had any so I ordered from ebay saved $150 a mic of the best price I could find and here in 4 days. A few items I did wait the 6+ weeks and get pissed waiting.
The other annoyance locally buying stuff is testing stuff. Some places want the shop to buy the product for you to test if you want to try it, I know when I looked at monitors could not get my hands on a few. Where the guys at ATT lent me a pair of Questeds for the weekend, I liked them so I brought them.
I have to say I always had no problems with Mick and Mixmasters. I always found he would do the best he could do for me price wise even got me prices on stuff he did not distribute.

Sound devices yep hence I never owned Apogee stuff. Heard to many people have some niggle problems with them to buy O/S. OZ prices he he he
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Postby OzDrum » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:27 am

you also have to realise with any retail trade in Australia there is only a population of 20 million - as opposed to 260+ million in the USA.. for a product that struggles to sell maybe 50 units of in Australia the equivalent in the USA might be 5000 units! that is a huge difference in buying power for both the distributors and retailers which would result in lower prices for all with the same profit margins etc. for an Australian importer to bring in a small quantity of a product the price break for them isn't as much as the huge markets overseas. as someone who has recently jumped into the retail side of things it is amazing how hard it is to get certain products from some of the distributors who also seem to be on the bottom of the overseas manufacturers/distributors list for shipping goods out here..

just some more food for thought in the retail foodchain!!

by the way we are dealers for many pro audio products (including Mixmasters/Front End Audio) and many more and are specialising more in service and advice and offer realistic prices rather than price under cutting.
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Postby Peter Knight » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:36 pm

I gotta say (and I'm not having a go at anyone at all) that the distribution business you guys are in seems dead.... why bother? I would imagine that online sales will completely take over one day.
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Postby HA_DA_JA » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:30 pm

Hello I just bought My TOFT ATC-2 2 x channel preamp/eq/compressor brand new from Mixmasters less than the cost of importing a new street price unit form US.
The RRP price in US is US$1399 street price of around US$850. I could not be happier with the product I got in Australia.
So it just pays to check things out first. Some Distributors can match prices and do a great job. I am just hoping this is not just a case of pot luck, and a one off occurance but hey I couldn't be happier (at the moment until I lust after my next piece of gear).
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