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Re: good music...

Postby Paul Maybury » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:01 pm

I love this..
http://kinggizzardandthelizardwizard.com/
"Eyes Like the Sky"
They recorded it themselves with Mboxs and sm57's, it sounds great in a lo fi way and is totally compelling.
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Re: good music...

Postby mylesgm » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:11 pm

really enjoyed that..
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Re: good music...

Postby Text_Edifice » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:26 pm

dunno if y'all will enjoy the music but this clip is hilarious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cinvIr-O1k8
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Re: good music...

Postby mylesgm » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:34 pm

here's another great performance (especially the first track)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Tp5fl18Ho
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Re: good music...

Postby Drumstruck » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:48 am

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takes me back to my younger days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxhoGTq_Sms

I like this guy's guitaring (prog in 7/8)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9910326/The_tu ... s_demo.mp3

:ymhug:
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Re: good music...

Postby Djembe » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:24 pm

Glad you liked Miriam Lieberman's CD, Bob. I recorded most of it and mixed it.
It's a really nice album.
Pity we couldn't bring the whole band down to SA. Maybe next time.
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Re: good music...

Postby Drumstruck » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:46 pm

For anyone who thinks they're pretty good on drums:

just a snare drum with brushes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... z2PYwnTXVc

just a snare drum played by a girl (lady that is):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdrLjq_RRo

a great Oz jazz drummer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 4jhGBZE2kY
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Re: good music...

Postby AlCraig » Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:14 am

If this don't make you feel good, nothing will
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgT82vDZIIQ

And here is something I mixed about 30 years ago that I am very proud of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3plEJ1bQV4
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Re: good music...

Postby AlCraig » Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:41 am

And, if you've got a spare hour and a half some rainy afternoon, you will not regret checking this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88P3Jsy95T8
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Re: good music...

Postby Paul Maybury » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:38 pm

Hey Al, that Blood Sweat and Tears recording is fantastic! Specially impressive considering how it was done.
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Re: good music...

Postby mylesgm » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:06 pm

I'd be pretty pumped if I'd worked with BS&T. Been a favourite band of mine since I was a kid. Their version of Sympathy for the Devil is the definitive and makes the Stones seem pretty twee... (I have now put my flame suit on and will be impervious to all attempts to change my mind).
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Re: good music...

Postby AlCraig » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:30 pm

Thanks Paul, I had been working in a club in Nashville prior to going out on the road with these guys and we regularly did live broadcasts to a local FM radio station via 15k phone lines. I got pretty good at using the Auxes as my broadcast mix. And in the case of BS&T, it was pretty easy when you've got musicians who understand dynamics and mic technique.
Here's another one from that same night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQhY6plZpkU

Myles, I too was a big fan growing up. I remember hearing Fire and Rain by BS&T before I heard James Taylor. Honestly thought JT was doing a cover. The BST version is so much more painful and powerful. We didn't do Sympathy for the Devil in this set, but here's the greatest hits medley for you. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKzTW8zwYgE
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Re: good music...

Postby Drumstruck » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:42 pm

Frank Zappa's "GUITAR" album (double CD) - everything is so clear and defined ^:)^
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Re: good music...

Postby mylesgm » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:31 pm

Drumstruck wrote:Frank Zappa's "GUITAR" album (double CD) - everything is so clear and defined ^:)^
And what fascinating guitar tones... Also Shut Up and Play your Guitar is great too.
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Re: good music...

Postby Paul Maybury » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:59 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xHBjeiqzkQ
This is some pretty amazing footage of The Faces live at the BBC. It sounds fantastic.
I can't see any P.A. anywhere, no monitors on the floor or stacks to be seen, yet nobody seems to be struggling for level. Most of the time Rod isn't even that close to the mic. Even when he stands right next to the drums, the sound of the drums hardly changes. As far as I can see there are three mics on the drums. Two low overheads and a kick.
How the hell did they do this??
This is the kind of live to air sound I aspire to. Tight enough, clean enough, powerful, effortless but plainly live.
Love it.
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Re: good music...

Postby AlCraig » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:22 am

Paul,
I wasn't there, so I'm only guessing, but its a combination of factors that makes this sound good.
1. Good musicians playing good songs. Guitar, bass and keyboard amps were probably on "2" not 10. And a drummer that knows pianisimo from forte.
2. Good acoustic space to record in. (I don't know which BBC studio this was shot in, but I'd be willing to bet that it was heavily treated and dead quiet {with lighting that didn't make noise})
3. Minimal PA. Probably some bookshelf speakers in the grid above the audience. And probably only the vocal mic feeding them. No foldback supplied, so the musicians balanced themselves during rehearsals so every one could hear
4. Minimal processing and effects. Probably no more than 12 inputs, mixed in mono with no compressors, limited eq (maybe 3 bands) and minimal reverb (if any)(maybe an EMT plate or an echo room elsewhere in the building). Probably mixed live to video tape, no multi-tracking, no mix-down, no post mixing.
5. Attentive audience that listened and kept quiet.

Once you get all that right, it is actually quite easy to pull a good mix (been there, done that) and such a joy too.

I'll ask a friend who is ex BBC (although not old enough to have been a part of this crew) if he can shed some insight.

My 2 cents

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Re: good music...

Postby Wiz » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:06 am

damn that was cool, and loved the drums around 14:30

hmmm we do to much to music nowadays me thinks.
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Re: good music...

Postby AlCraig » Thu May 02, 2013 12:11 am

As promised, I recieved a response from Tim Davies:
(as a side. I suspect the desk shown had "reverse" faders as was the way with the BBC. You "pulled" the sound towards you)

"It was almost certainly recorded in TVC in one of the smaller studios. So the desk would have been either a mono Neve with discrete components, or a BBC made type D http://www.orbem.co.uk/typed/3e.htm Any "processing" would have been a couple of compressor limiters in the groups, these were bookable and pluggable, NOT in the desk!

It would have been a straight to VT, live mix. The BBC didn't really have any regular multitrack facilities back then, and would have been recorded to an Ampex quadraplex machine.

Interestingly Rod is using an AKG omni vocal mic, a very typical BBC thing, because of the lack of bass tip up on an omni!! Never mind spill from monitors!! I suspect the overall volume was a lot less than we would expect today which would help.

The real answer as to why it was such a great mix lies not with the equipment, but the man who mixed it...the legendary Hugh Barker. A great bloke and a fabulous mixer responsible for many fantastic mixes over many genres but mainly in Light Entertainment. He had a "commercial sound" that was unusual in the BBC who definitely had their own way of thinking things should be done. Hugh is still alive, and enjoying his retirement."
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Re: good music...

Postby Paul Maybury » Fri May 03, 2013 3:27 pm

Thanks a lot, really great information. pretty much what I expected to hear. All live, low volume, omni mics. Mix straight to VT. When a band can play together and balance themselves, it's a beautiful thing and doesn't require much work to sound good. Just hands on faders and musical sensitivity from the engineer.
I'm not sure what is meant by "limiters in the groups, these were bookable and pluggable, NOT in the desk!"
Does that mean the engineer would have to book access to the limiters and patch them to the groups?
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Re: good music...

Postby Drumstruck » Tue May 07, 2013 9:30 am

The only song (I know of) to be #1 in 3 consecutive decades - always loved the "Decca" sound and (imo) this band set the standard for studio quality for years to come. Hard to believe it was 1967......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9muzyOd4Lh8
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Re: good music...

Postby audioio » Mon May 20, 2013 11:36 pm

Can't help myself. I'm really digging this a the moment:
http://theohhellos.com/album/through-the-deep-dark-valley
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Re: good music...

Postby Manning » Wed May 22, 2013 10:24 am

Not enough disco getting talked about.

Was driving in this morning and 99.3 played "No More tears (Enough is Enough)" - Donna Summer and Barbara Streisand.

Oh my, oh my. The performing and production on that song is just incredible.

What wouldn't I give to have singers like that in my studio. Or the horn section, or the rhythm section (Neil Stubenhaus and James Gadson).
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Re: good music...

Postby arolland94 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:49 pm

Really Been digging these guys lately!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2AeFOOdML0

it's worth checking out, really great vibe! Absolutely loving it.
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Re: good music...

Postby jkhuri44 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:23 pm

just popped on to post this album from '71, by Felt...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2CFo3_igtg

far out...new bands need to just study shit like this, just to work out if they've tried hard enough....this is so perfect. I cant seem to find out if they have any more albums!!! oh...and to add insult to injury, no one in this band is older than 19.... shame!!!!
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Re: good music...

Postby mylesgm » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:09 am

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Re: good music...

Postby Wiz » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:52 pm

http://www.wimp.com/bestcover/

give it till the chorus at least...

It seems underappreciated musos is world over..., this is in a pizza parlour, and everyone eating their capriccosa couldnt give a fat rats ass about whats going on.. 8)

great harmonies... tough song
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Re: good music...

Postby mylesgm » Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:40 pm

Groovy groovy music from soweto in the 60s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUPLr65M6Bg
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Re: good music...

Postby Drumstruck » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:25 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ8d2EB435Q

I always wondered why Molly didn't do more production - he certainly had a talent for it.
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Re: good music...

Postby Drumstruck » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:44 pm

the Hadouk Trio - you'd probably call this song jazz/world/prog - a really beautiful tune and fine playing - Didier is extraordinary on the duduk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVR2JFPZhMs
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Re: good music...

Postby gigpiglet » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:43 pm

i just finished a tour mixing Calexico.. a band i have been a fan of for a long time, and mixed once or twice as one offs in the past.
it as great to spend 3 weeks with them, and really get to know the sounds..

if you dont know the band - worth a look for sure.
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