How to Filter Midi "All notes off" ?

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How to Filter Midi "All notes off" ?

Postby Futureman » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:11 am

I've got a few keyboards (Roland D-50) etc that have that annoying thing of spitting out a "All notes off" command when you let go of all keys.

It's a right pain in the arse, as the MPC etc that I use as a sequencer takes this literally , and stops playing all samples for a split second.

I'm looking for a hardware solution to filter this out.

MidiBox is one option, but I though others may have a solution that does not involve a 'puter or using another keyboard.

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Postby Futureman » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:48 am

http://www.philrees.co.uk/products/process.htm

this will do it

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm

and that

any others that people know of? have ? want to sell?
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Postby lonearranger » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:02 pm

Not 100% sure but possibly the Yamaha MEP-4 midi events processor - 80s rack device that can do lots of splitting/filtering tricks.

One sold on ebay recently for $40 in the us - not sure how often these come up though.

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Postby Futureman » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:12 pm

lonearranger wrote:Not 100% sure but possibly the Yamaha MEP-4 midi events processor - 80s rack device that can do lots of splitting/filtering tricks.


Cheers, I forgot about those.. see them floating around every now and again.
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Postby headman » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:57 pm

I have an MEP4 and something else (Yamaha) that might do the trick. I was thinking about selling them as a pair. I've had them for 30 years and basically never used them (you know how it is with binary tools!!!).
I'll call over to the studio this afternoon and grab them and let you know.

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Postby headman » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:30 pm

Yes I have an MEP4 and an MCS 2. The MCS is shaped like a TX7 and adds pitchbend, modulation wheels to midi devices that don't have these functions as well as sustain and volume pedal inputs and other midi CC functions.
I will sell both as a package if anyone is interested

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Postby no-fi » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:20 pm

Can you set your mpc to ignore all notes off messages?
that JJ os seems to have a whole pile of extra features, and it could be in there somewhere.

Early MIDI gear is funny... I think a lot of the companies implimenting it for the first time didn't quite get what they were doing.
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Postby Futureman » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:53 pm

no-fi wrote:Can you set your mpc to ignore all notes off messages?
that JJ os seems to have a whole pile of extra features, and it could be in there somewhere.


Nah, unfortunately, It can't filter that "All notes off" message. bah.
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Re: How to Filter Midi "All notes off" ?

Postby Thirteen » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:36 pm

MEP-4's rock.
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Postby Futureman » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:46 pm

headman wrote:Yes I have an MEP4 and an MCS 2. The MCS is shaped like a TX7 and adds pitchbend, modulation wheels to midi devices that don't have these functions as well as sustain and volume pedal inputs and other midi CC functions.
I will sell both as a package if anyone is interested

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Ok, I sussed out the MEP4, looks like it's what I want.

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Re: How to Filter Midi "All notes off" ?

Postby a.d.a.m. baby » Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:44 pm

I'd be steering clear of anything that added another delay to the midi stream. It sounds like you are using a multiple-master-keyboard scenario - wouldn't it be more ergonomic to re-arrange things so that you had just one, and the others as slaves? (in particular the ones that send All Notes Off)
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Re: How to Filter Midi "All notes off" ?

Postby no-fi » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:12 pm

I think the D50 is his most modern and full featured MIDI keyboard.........
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Re: How to Filter Midi "All notes off" ?

Postby Futureman » Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:00 pm

no-fi wrote:I think the D50 is his most modern and full featured MIDI keyboard.........
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Re: How to Filter Midi "All notes off" ?

Postby no-fi » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:08 am

dawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!
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Re: How to Filter Midi "All notes off" ?

Postby Futureman » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:04 pm

a.d.a.m. baby wrote:I'd be steering clear of anything that added another delay to the midi stream. It sounds like you are using a multiple-master-keyboard scenario - wouldn't it be more ergonomic to re-arrange things so that you had just one, and the others as slaves? (in particular the ones that send All Notes Off)


If it's a master keyboard into a sequencer, I doubt the miniscule processing delay is going to mess with the recording of my chops too much. lol.
(Especially after a quantize down to 1/16th's!)

Early implementation of MIDI is a pis@#er. Ughh.. I want to slap the person who decided stuff defaulting to OMNI was a good idea.
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Re: How to Filter Midi "All notes off" ?

Postby a.d.a.m. baby » Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:54 pm

Futureman wrote:[
Early implementation of MIDI is a pis@#er. Ughh.. I want to slap the person who decided stuff defaulting to OMNI was a good idea.


LOL I know .. every session I have to plug the midi out of my MD8 to the input and hit a note on the jupe to take it out of omni... there were a few other arcane rituals associated with that vintage but as I've upgraded chips etc I've managed to whittle it down!
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Postby Futureman » Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:04 pm

headman wrote:Yes I have an MEP4 and an MCS 2.


Thanks! Arrived today. Works perfectly at channelising the 4 synths that I've got that default to OMNI. Brilliant. Means they can all be sequenced by the MPC nice and easily.
Browsing through it's presets, it's got a few cool other tricks up it's sleeve too.

Swift postage, much appreciated.

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Re: How to Filter Midi "All notes off" ?

Postby headman » Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:06 pm

No problem, hope you enjoy and find use for both units.

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