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Mixing for Vinyl?!

Postby Kurt » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:08 am

Soooo, I recently finished mixing a couple of songs that are going to 7". I did a lot of reading up on do's and don'ts but it's my first attempt at a record. The client and I are both very happy with the way it sounds but I'm a bit anxious about it's suitability for vinyl. If you can handle listening to black metal let me know if you think it will cut ok?!
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Postby jkhuri44 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:17 am

bass freqs need to be mono's for anything below 100 or so? cant remember the exact crossover.

from memory....other than that, cant remember of shit to watch out for?
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Postby jkhuri44 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:18 am

btw, its too hi fi for black metal...doesnt sound shit enough!!! jeezzz :P u shoulda been smoking with the band instead of trying on this one Kurt!
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Postby Kurt » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:33 am

Haha, we tried not to go with the tape deck in another room production style ;)

I have bass centred below 150, no big dynamic peaks (Kick and snare sound a little flatter than I'd like though) no large bursts of high frequency.. That's about all I could find to look out for.
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Postby jkhuri44 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:34 am

sounds about right man :)

its a little hard to tell whats happening on myspazz though!!!
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Postby Kurt » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:40 am

I know but I didn't want to post a higher-res version 'coz it's not mine :)
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Postby Thirteen » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:12 am

Wouldn't the more important part be to have it mastered by someone used to mastering for vinyl?
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Postby rick » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:08 am

Thirteen wrote:Wouldn't the more important part be to have it mastered by someone used to mastering for vinyl?


yeah thirteen is pretty right , but your onto the three main issues , vinyl will give generally give dissapointing results on double kick drum sections on splashy hats/ cymbals and sibilant vocals - any energy above 15 k will make the cutting guy work for his money .

we have an ellipitcal equaliser here in house which sorts the bottom end issues out on the vinyl masters we make ,the top end also gets sorted but different cutting systems have different responses so we leave a bit of play there.

ideally you want to cut on a neumann vms 80 /82 or use a very experience cutting engineer on a vms 70
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Postby Kurt » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:51 am

Unfortunately the budget doesn't stretch far enough to go to anyone else... I hope the double kick thing isn't too much of a drama, there's a lot of it. I thought vinyl was supposed to have a higher frequency range than cd? I had been kicking myself for recording it at 44.1k instead of 48. I just hope I've done it well enough that the cutting guy can deal with it easily.

rick wrote:.....will give generally give dissapointing results on double kick drum sections on splashy hats/ cymbals and sibilant vocals.....


Sounds like mp3!
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Postby rick » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:31 am

Kurt wrote:Unfortunately the budget doesn't stretch far enough to go to anyone else... I hope the double kick thing isn't too much of a drama, there's a lot of it. I thought vinyl was supposed to have a higher frequency range than cd? I had been kicking myself for recording it at 44.1k instead of 48. I just hope I've done it well enough that the cutting guy can deal with it easily.

rick wrote:.....will give generally give dissapointing results on double kick drum sections on splashy hats/ cymbals and sibilant vocals.....


Sounds like mp3!


higher freq range ..?
well not a flat freq response thats for sure !
its flat to about 14-5k then it runs down , nearly nothing at 18k , very little at 20k but it does keep going ( albiet way lower in level )
cds stop dead up there .
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Postby Kurt » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:33 am

My hearing stopped dead well before there!

rick wrote:
Kurt wrote:Unfortunately the budget doesn't stretch far enough to go to anyone else... I hope the double kick thing isn't too much of a drama, there's a lot of it. I thought vinyl was supposed to have a higher frequency range than cd? I had been kicking myself for recording it at 44.1k instead of 48. I just hope I've done it well enough that the cutting guy can deal with it easily.

rick wrote:.....will give generally give dissapointing results on double kick drum sections on splashy hats/ cymbals and sibilant vocals.....


Sounds like mp3!


higher freq range ..?
well not a flat freq response thats for sure !
its flat to about 14-5k then it runs down , nearly nothing at 18k , very little at 20k but it does keep going ( albiet way lower in level )
cds stop dead up there .
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Postby rick » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:56 am

its been said i cant hear anything beyond 4k ( the top end range of my own voice )
but i think i am probably good up until 5k at least .

my wife bought this ultrasonic thingy to scare away the neighbours cats , because i am dumb i put it up to my ears to see if i could hear
50 k and up , ... i can it made my brain pulse and i had an earache on that side for about an hour .. dont try this at home it hurts !
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Postby TimS » Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:04 am

rick wrote:my wife bought this ultrasonic thingy to scare away the neighbours cats , because i am dumb i put it up to my ears to see if i could hear
50 k and up , ... i can it made my brain pulse and i had an earache on that side for about an hour .. dont try this at home it hurts !

obviously its meant for cats, not mastering engineers..
oh, hang on, you are 'The Mastering Cat'... ;-}
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Postby Kurt » Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:04 am

At least the neighbours cats will stay out of your ears ;)
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