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Postby Wiz » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:39 am

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Postby ChrisW » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:07 am

I was more thinking the drum software.
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Postby a.d.a.m. baby » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:56 pm

Weird innit?
When I look at that, I wonder, surely the reproduction of "stereo" from a vinyl record JUST HAS TO SOUND DIFFERENT from any other technique, given that a monolithic structure (the stylus) is the transducer for two (not so?) separate signals. Whereas with tape and digital methods, the information of the two channels are physically and electronically separate throughout the whole process.
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Postby Wiz » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:07 pm

a.d.a.m. baby wrote:Weird innit?
When I look at that, I wonder, surely the reproduction of "stereo" from a vinyl record JUST HAS TO SOUND DIFFERENT from any other technique, given that a monolithic structure (the stylus) is the transducer for two (not so?) separate signals. Whereas with tape and digital methods, the information of the two channels are physically and electronically separate throughout the whole process.

That's what I started to think about.......
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Postby rick » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:02 pm

jesus i STOPPED thinkng about it twenty years ago , but now i am doing a vinyl master at least once a week..
who knew ..?
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Postby a.d.a.m. baby » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:33 pm

rick wrote:jesus i STOPPED thinkng about it twenty years ago , but now i am doing a vinyl master at least once a week..
who knew ..?

That's good to hear. I'm still buying vinyl.
So Rick, can you hear a difference in the stereo reproduction from a vinyl record compared to, say, tape?
I'm not talking about fidelity/frequency response/SNR etc...
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Postby rick » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:33 am

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yes vinyl sounds worse , more mono :)
and yet ..

there is a school of thought that says true stereo seperation isnt what we want, need or actually like to hear
and that what we really need is totally uncorellant sound.. not stereo
so the crossover over junk that vinyl gives is more pleasing to the brain etc etc
and they believe analog is the only way to get that and that total stereo speration and digital representation is flawed by design

I dunno ... but as you can see with my little analog alcove .. I look into it far more then most .

I just like to hear good songs in full fidelity most days .

other days the stereo width space and aura is really really important
depends on the song and recording basically.. not the technology for me .

but given a choice i would rather full fidelity over stereo imaging and a good song over pile of crap
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Postby audioio » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:12 am

rick wrote:but given a choice i would rather full fidelity over stereo imaging and a good song over pile of crap


Gee, with Nikki Minaj and Where da freaks at and their ilk, you must find commercial radio very depressing. I know I do.
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Postby rick » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:06 pm

Careful with that axe Eugene !

Depressed ? .. I listen to commercial radio every day
Always have
I think its part of my job .. I like a lot if it
But I bounce most of it .
It's always been the same

Actually anybody that charges money to make
Records should see it as a job spec too I reckon

You don't have to like the top 40 but you should
Always know what's going on there
Easiest place to get the top 40 is in your car in commerical radio

I can't see why its depressing at the moment ?
There is lots of Australian content ..new stuff every week
It's just what it is ....music for the masses crap dialog and annoyingly crap adds
Always has been .
It's not any worse ( or better then it was 30 years ago)

Good to see one of the radio tunes that depresses you
So much is an Australian hit Dave .. At least its a fifty fifty swipe :)


I think Joel is still a forum member so is Sia
You still here Joel , Sia?

Commercial radio has always been mostly crap
Mostly .. But that isn't something to get depressed at in my world

The stupid media wash on Ebola , that nonsense in Iraq and Syria what Russia will do next
or how elegant Well researched and factual mr prime minister is on such a wide range of subjects
Concerns me far more then how much i like " bang bang "
And "shake it up "

Btw I really like bang bang and shake it up
Great pop songs i always turn them up so the kids can sing along
Even Joel's hits freaks & hip swing have made me tap along on occasion
But I won't be buying them on vinyl .
Or anything commercial for that matter

Vinyl can only be for pleasure going forward .. It's too complicated
To use for research .

There are better vinyl groove photos kicking about
If somebody wants to link them
It would be betterer then trashing the music of the day
Can you imagine somebody that was loving Jim reaves on his
Old mono 78 trying to cope with his kids listening
To the Rolling Stones " gimme shelter" on a stereo 45
And wondering what the f@#$ happened to radio ..?
What is all this crap ..?

Its age old .. It's called the generation gap .
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Postby Paul Maybury » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:23 am

When you think about it, it's amazing that we can inscribe audio onto a rotating disk and then re create it via some magnets, wire and a paper cone.
It's a miracle that it works at all, let alone that it can give such a convincing re creation of the audio.
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