What's happening to the recording industry? and its future?

[Kurt]

1. People are buying music, it just isn't what you think they should buy. (hint: people buy what they want)

2. I was merely trying to illustrate cultural differences. It's obvious to me that Australians don't value music as highly as some other cultures. It is discretionary spending, people think money is tight, discretionary spending gets cut.

3. Young people are the main consumers of music, they tend to want to hear other young people making music.

I believe I have been quite positive, I'm not moaning about the death of the industry and how damn thieves, F@#$ing computers and the F@#$ing internet have stolen my livelihood am I?

On you Kurt!
No one makes music that people want anymore???
Whats clapping got to do with it?
Whats age got to do with it?

unless your a comedian...

Well done mate for your positive inputs (edited...very edited)

[Wiz]

Friends dont let friends clap on 1 and 3


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[Linear]

2. I was merely trying to illustrate cultural differences. It's obvious to me that Australians don't value music as highly as some other cultures. It is discretionary spending, people think money is tight, discretionary spending gets cut.

In dollar terms, Australia is the 6th biggest music market in the world.

And I'd say that's 6th behind the US, UK, Japan, Germany & Canada.

Which is pretty crazy when you think about it, I mean we're not exactly a big country. But more money is spent on music here than in China and India which now makes up 2/3 of the worlds population (yes they're still developing countries but they probably have more millionaires than we have people).

So I don't buy that excuse at all.

[Manning]

In dollar terms, Australia is the 6th biggest music market in the world.

And I'd say that's 6th behind the US, UK, Japan, Germany & Canada.

Canada is actually #7. France is #5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_mus ... share_data

[Kurt]

We're not a big country but, despite what the Liberals are telling us, we are a rich country. (second highest quality of life after the USA from very vague memory)

China and India do not value recorded music, in China's case I don't think they even recognise the idea of copyright do they?

That also suggests that artists are, as I said earlier, getting fucked by the very industry built up around them.

2. I was merely trying to illustrate cultural differences. It's obvious to me that Australians don't value music as highly as some other cultures. It is discretionary spending, people think money is tight, discretionary spending gets cut.

In dollar terms, Australia is the 6th biggest music market in the world.

And I'd say that's 6th behind the US, UK, Japan, Germany & Canada.

Which is pretty crazy when you think about it, I mean we're not exactly a big country. But more money is spent on music here than in China and India which now makes up 2/3 of the worlds population (yes they're still developing countries but they probably have more millionaires than we have people).

So I don't buy that excuse at all.

[Linear]

In dollar terms, Australia is the 6th biggest music market in the world.

And I'd say that's 6th behind the US, UK, Japan, Germany & Canada.

Canada is actually #7. France is #5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_mus ... share_data

cool. that was off the top of my head, and am really surprised that we spend more money on music than canada.

the top 3 selling artists of the 90s were all women - and 2 of them were from Canada.

#1 Shania Twain
#2 Alanis Morissette
#3 Whitney Houston

go figure!

[Kurt]

Populations are similar but their recorded music has always been cheaper, on par with US pricing. I read years ago that they have a blank media levy, a percentage of every blank cd sold goes to their equivalent of APRA to compensate artists for pirated material, that's a pretty cool idea.

In dollar terms, Australia is the 6th biggest music market in the world.

And I'd say that's 6th behind the US, UK, Japan, Germany & Canada.

Canada is actually #7. France is #5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_mus ... share_data

cool. that was off the top of my head, and am really surprised that we spend more money on music than canada.

the top 3 selling artists of the 90s were all women - and 2 of them were from Canada.

#1 Shania Twain
#2 Alanis Morissette
#3 Whitney Houston

go figure!

[Sammas]

In dollar terms, Australia is the 6th biggest music market in the world.

And I'd say that's 6th behind the US, UK, Japan, Germany & Canada.

Canada is actually #7. France is #5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_mus ... share_data

cool. that was off the top of my head, and am really surprised that we spend more money on music than canada.

the top 3 selling artists of the 90s were all women - and 2 of them were from Canada.

#1 Shania Twain
#2 Alanis Morissette
#3 Whitney Houston

go figure!

Canada is probably slightly more complex as it has two native languages. I wonder how many French speaking Canadian's actually contributed to France's record sales.

Some of you gents might enjoy this read:

Strangely enough, the first paragraph contains a quote that predicts that recording will be the demise of music... the quote is from 1906. http://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/9780472031955-ch2.pdf

[Kurt]

Nice find.

Some of you gents might enjoy this read:

Strangely enough, the first paragraph contains a quote that predicts that recording will be the demise of music... the quote is from 1906. http://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/9780472031955-ch2.pdf

[Drumstruck]

In dollar terms, Australia is the 6th biggest music market in the world.

And I'd say that's 6th behind the US, UK, Japan, Germany & Canada.

Canada is actually #7. France is #5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_mus ... share_data

cool. that was off the top of my head, and am really surprised that we spend more money on music than canada.

the top 3 selling artists of the 90s were all women - and 2 of them were from Canada.

#1 Shania Twain
#2 Alanis Morissette
#3 Whitney Houston

go figure!

Canada is probably slightly more complex as it has two native languages. I wonder how many French speaking Canadian's actually contributed to France's record sales.

Some of you gents might enjoy this read:

Strangely enough, the first paragraph contains a quote that predicts that recording will be the demise of music... the quote is from 1906. http://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/9780472031955-ch2.pdf

I wonder how the Inuit feel about that?

[ChrisW]

Yep, what you might call a 'gaffe'.

I've toured Canada quite a few times, and Montreal feels very different to Toronto and Vancouver.
When I lived in the UK I worked with French bands who toured Canada, as well as places like New Caledonia. Spanish bands are big in South America. I see some of the big Italian stars touring Australia too.

PS: I see this thread as 'experienced elders' worried about the future of professional music, not as old geezers romanticising about their past glories. That way of thinking would also assume people over 40, over 50, don't listen to the same music as under 30's, and appreciate it.
Don't use ageism to stereotype.

[Manning]

Don't use ageism to stereotype.

Get off my lawn, dangit.

[Drumstruck]

Don't use ageism to stereotype.

Hey, just because I'm old.... no, wait, let me rephrase that... you're 2 weeks older than me granpaw

[Kurt]

I'm over 40 and generally can't stand the shit my kids listen to. JJJ drives me up the wall. Most stereotypes have at least some basis in fact.

Edit: There was going to be a smiley but permission to wink was denied!

Yep, what you might call a 'gaffe'.

I've toured Canada quite a few times, and Montreal feels very different to Toronto and Vancouver.
When I lived in the UK I worked with French bands who toured Canada, as well as places like New Caledonia. Spanish bands are big in South America. I see some of the big Italian stars touring Australia too.

PS: I see this thread as 'experienced elders' worried about the future of professional music, not as old geezers romanticising about their past glories. That way of thinking would also assume people over 40, over 50, don't listen to the same music as under 30's, and appreciate it.
Don't use ageism to stereotype.

[Wiz]

Don't use ageism to stereotype.

Get off my lawn, dangit.

if you youg uns hit that ball into my yard again.....

[ChrisW]

Sure.....
The established industry seems to be supplying what the kids want - The Big Day Out and Splendour In The Grass are hugely popular. I've got to assume X-factor, The Voice etc are all more popular with under30's than over 40's.

Mind you, 'daggy dad' Abbott if a fan of Katy Perry:

"When are you coming back (to Australia)? We need you, we want you," Mr Abbott enthused.

[Manning]

"When are you coming back (to Australia)? We need you, we want you," Mr Abbott enthused."

Does anyone else find that quote slightly creepy?

[Drumstruck]

"When are you coming back (to Australia)? We need you, we want you," Mr Abbott enthused."

Does anyone else find that quote slightly creepy?

nah, we all heard that sex appeal is high on the agenda

[The Tasmanian]

Not as creepy as ignoring 98% of climate scientists.
THAT is really creepy!

[Manning]

Not as creepy as ignoring 98% of climate scientists.
THAT is really creepy!

OT - On that point - I see that "98%" stat all the time, but I have never been able to find this alleged 2% who dispute climate change. Plenty of politicians sure, but actual scientists?

Even the oil companies are admitting climate change is happening (probably not doing anything positive, but at least they are not denying it).
http://climaterealityproject.org/2012/0 ... te-change/

[Thirteen]

Please don't let a useful thread degenerate into into "climate change" blah blah....

[rightintheface]

So, what's wrong with extinction? If a service is no longer required, then it is no longer required. I'm 25, my dad often talks about the old lane ways behind Nan's house where the sewage runners used to collect the cans of shite. While an interesting story, the entire profession means nothing to me because it's extinct (stink puns aside). Same goes for barrel makers (coopers), blacksmiths, etc. they were all once services that were needed, but have been replaced over time or streamlined into a different version.

My point is that if kids today see music as data that originated from the Internet from some huge mp3 hub, how are they going to miss an industry that they know nothing about? We can say "the kids are missing out", but the coopers probably said that too. Kids will always find something, regardless of what the old guard say.

Not trying to be a dick about it, just speaking bluntly.

And yes, BDO and Splendour are super popular with young uns. Of course over 40's (or even over 30's) aren't gonna "get" it or the "crap they play today" (starting to sound like oldies real quick ain't we?).

If a service is no longer needed then it is no longer necessary. Simple as that, no romance is going to save it. There will always be Art, and there will always be arguments over what constitutes it - today is no different to ten, twenty, fifty years ago.

[The Tasmanian]

That makes Tony even scarier !!! Manning
Maybe its Murdoch again?
Geez i can only hope this country wakes up from its stupidity in time....

[The Tasmanian]

Mitch - I dont know what planet your from?
Music is not a service.
Thought I'd better let you know...

Not trying to be a dick about it? - doing a great job!

Sorry mate - still picking myself off the floor....

[Drumstruck]

I think you're right Mitch - the survivors will be able to "think laterally / step sideways".

Your e.g. of the coopers is a good one - whilst they still serve a niche market in the quality wine / spirits makers, some have stepped sideways into the instrument making arena. My drum kit is a perfect example - stave construction and custom made by a skilled craftsman.

I see a lot of t'rockers moving into associated professions - maybe this thread could brainstorm a few more ideas to tap for the great terrapins here??

[The Tasmanian]

Such wisdom from a 25 y/old!

[rightintheface]

Oh boy...

I'm not taking about music, I'm talking about the recording industry. That's why I said "there will always be art" etc. if the recording industry has to die - like coopers etc etc - because it is no longer a necessity or needed service then that is exactly what will happen.

I'm 25, studying a useless music degree (in terms of potential employment), and working a regular job so I can continue writing and recording my own songs in my cheap bedroom studio. I will have to think laterally/step sideways (nice one Ian!) to find work for myself. I personally find it very exciting that the record industry is dying, because I will be a part of the "new wave" if you like, that will be inventing and exploring all the new options available to us. I won't have to be lumped into shitty production deals, won't have to fight a&r for creative license etc. I have friends on labels having the same old struggles that have been happening to Musos for yonks. I'm glad that the future won't depend on that any more. What will it depend on? I really don't know, and that's the beauty of it.

Apologies if age is a criteria for voicing an opinion. At what age will my opinion become "wise" I wonder?

[Wiz]

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[The Tasmanian]

Ahh - dont agree
at all wiz
I did miss the smiley - but whats that got to do with it?
> its words that count mate - not hiding behind little faces.

#1 - bully? - call it passion ! - some of us have lots of it - some not as much.
#2 - when someone starts saying music is a service (absolutely wrong) - comparing it with laneway shit collectors losing their craft (dumb) then I have every right to arc up - every right!
enjoy your cuppa -

[Wiz]

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