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Finest Speaker Ever: JBL....?
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Finest Speaker Ever: JBL....?
Jamil Khuri
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yeah maybe the finest speaker jbl ever made :)
i cannot wait untill the new speaker system is setup in the new turtlerock
in ours the super tweeter is omni and goes up to 390 k - just incase we ever figure out a way to make or hear a noise that high !
and the omni tweeter costs 30 k ! and weighs 26 kg !
that said its taken us long time to get this far and the sytsem still doesnt make noise yet ( mostley coz i havent paid for al the bits but thats another story ...)
but as they say i just cannot wait any faster :)
i cannot wait untill the new speaker system is setup in the new turtlerock
in ours the super tweeter is omni and goes up to 390 k - just incase we ever figure out a way to make or hear a noise that high !
and the omni tweeter costs 30 k ! and weighs 26 kg !
that said its taken us long time to get this far and the sytsem still doesnt make noise yet ( mostley coz i havent paid for al the bits but thats another story ...)
but as they say i just cannot wait any faster :)
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rick wrote: the super tweeter is omni and goes up to 390 k
Hi Rick
Why does it stretch that high? What's the point? Are you making some sort of high freq sound cannon?
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Cause it can.Ben Moore wrote:rick wrote:the super tweeter is omni and goes up to 390 k
Hi Rick
Why does it stretch that high?
God only knows...........and that may even be a stretchBen Moore wrote: What's the point?
No, he's making some of us salivate ;-)Ben Moore wrote:Are you making some sort of high freq sound cannon?
ChrisO.....I think. Oh, and F*#K Google, ask me!
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Ben Moore wrote:rick wrote: the super tweeter is omni and goes up to 390 k
Hi Rick
Why does it stretch that high? What's the point? Are you making some sort of high freq sound cannon?
No no, Rick can actually hear that high, he has bionic ears. :)
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They're really heavy. I was surprised when I looked at them vs actually picking them up. I'm also looking forward to hearing the new speaker system. 7 foot of sound comin' at ya from each side has to do something cool.
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I don't think there will be a dog within a 20 km radius of Rick's new studio. Those tweeters are going to make sure of that.
I was interested, is it one tweeter facing upwards or a few of them in a circle facing directly outwards to make it omni, or....?
:)
I was interested, is it one tweeter facing upwards or a few of them in a circle facing directly outwards to make it omni, or....?
:)
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I heard these Bowers and Wilkins Nautilus speakers are $250K per single. (unpowered)
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=1457
Maaannnnnn.....you'd want to hear the difference wouldn't ya! "I think I'll mix in mono from now on, cause I can't afford the other speaker"
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=1457
Maaannnnnn.....you'd want to hear the difference wouldn't ya! "I think I'll mix in mono from now on, cause I can't afford the other speaker"
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The best part of that link was finding the Real Worlds winter sampler and listening to a few great recordings, esp Charlie Winston.
Listening through those B&W's would be a bit of a step up from what i'm used to though!
Listening through those B&W's would be a bit of a step up from what i'm used to though!
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I have absolutelty no idea why, or how They go that high
what I would play on them to check the freq response or how I would even check the freq response
there is not a commerical mic that can record about 40 and most cannot really record above 15 k
But my amps , my console and now my converters can go that high so why not the speakers
if I am going to play the fool I might as well get totally wet!
so if I can just find something to playback and someone to hear it that high it will be all good:)
reality is because they are omni( they work on this wired spun titaniam orb diffusser)
that is put in place to scatter the upperharmonics
instead of " pinpointing" them as the other tweeter does
does it sound any good..?
Not yet I haven't heard it
if there is no difference they will be going back to the factory untill they do
what I would play on them to check the freq response or how I would even check the freq response
there is not a commerical mic that can record about 40 and most cannot really record above 15 k
But my amps , my console and now my converters can go that high so why not the speakers
if I am going to play the fool I might as well get totally wet!
so if I can just find something to playback and someone to hear it that high it will be all good:)
reality is because they are omni( they work on this wired spun titaniam orb diffusser)
that is put in place to scatter the upperharmonics
instead of " pinpointing" them as the other tweeter does
does it sound any good..?
Not yet I haven't heard it
if there is no difference they will be going back to the factory untill they do
Rick O'Neil
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I think we went to different schools together
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Hi there,
Rick you are one of Australia's great audiophiles !
Is there anyone else in Australia that has a better speaker system and room than you ?
Not to mention the D/A of course.
Will your rates move upwards?
Cheers
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O
Rick you are one of Australia's great audiophiles !
Is there anyone else in Australia that has a better speaker system and room than you ?
Not to mention the D/A of course.
Will your rates move upwards?
Cheers
N
Y
M
O
John NYMo Nyman
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hmm... so, whats the frequency response of air? I'd be expecting a bit of roll-off in the medium here...
anyway - you want to drive your system at 390k, buy a test oscillator. even a basic one should go to 1MHz. and then any old CRO will check the whole path right up to your speakers...
if I had to make a 390k sound receiver, I'd be looking at some kind of piezo element. I used to work for a company designing hydrographic equipment, and designed a 200k echosounder using a "standard" (hydrographic survey standard) piezo transducer, no problems. I don't see double that frequency being impossible.
if the tweeters are simple enough design (ie just basic electroaccoustic elements - not powered, for a start!) you could possibly use one of them as a transmitter and the other as a receiver. then wire the receiver into some high bandwidth amp module (a video amp?? do you have mic preamps on your 390k desk?) for gain..
but yeah... not knowing anything about your $30k tweeters, I'd be really really really cautious about running any high frequency tests on them.. would hate to blow one!
anyway - you want to drive your system at 390k, buy a test oscillator. even a basic one should go to 1MHz. and then any old CRO will check the whole path right up to your speakers...
if I had to make a 390k sound receiver, I'd be looking at some kind of piezo element. I used to work for a company designing hydrographic equipment, and designed a 200k echosounder using a "standard" (hydrographic survey standard) piezo transducer, no problems. I don't see double that frequency being impossible.
if the tweeters are simple enough design (ie just basic electroaccoustic elements - not powered, for a start!) you could possibly use one of them as a transmitter and the other as a receiver. then wire the receiver into some high bandwidth amp module (a video amp?? do you have mic preamps on your 390k desk?) for gain..
but yeah... not knowing anything about your $30k tweeters, I'd be really really really cautious about running any high frequency tests on them.. would hate to blow one!
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i am not an audiophile ! , and i will punch anybody who says i am.... in the nose.. hard
however i really do know the insanity of what i am attempting , i am going to make the best mastering suite ever made
or i wont... which ever works out :)
will the hourly rate be going up ...?
well no i am actually counting on it going down
but that is an entire diatribe that can wait for a while .
personally i feel devising a studio plan where "what i do cannot be done at home " is the only way forward for me
does anybody actually need what i do ..?
well lets wait and see
could they offer it at home ..?
well no
however i really do know the insanity of what i am attempting , i am going to make the best mastering suite ever made
or i wont... which ever works out :)
will the hourly rate be going up ...?
well no i am actually counting on it going down
but that is an entire diatribe that can wait for a while .
personally i feel devising a studio plan where "what i do cannot be done at home " is the only way forward for me
does anybody actually need what i do ..?
well lets wait and see
could they offer it at home ..?
well no
Rick O'Neil
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[quote]i am not an audiophile ! , and i will punch anybody who says i am.... in the nose.. hard [/quote]
Hi there,
Rick...you won't have any trouble hitting my nose...its huge !
What eclectic audio term would you like to describe yourself as ?
Cheers
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Y
M
O
Hi there,
Rick...you won't have any trouble hitting my nose...its huge !
What eclectic audio term would you like to describe yourself as ?
Cheers
N
Y
M
O
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rick wrote:i am not an audiophile ! , and i will punch anybody who says i am.... in the nose.. hard
however i really do know the insanity of what i am attempting , i am going to make the best mastering suite ever made
or i wont... which ever works out :)
will the hourly rate be going up ...?
well no i am actually counting on it going down
but that is an entire diatribe that can wait for a while .
personally i feel devising a studio plan where "what i do cannot be done at home " is the only way forward for me
does anybody actually need what i do ..?
well lets wait and see
could they offer it at home ..?
well no
New business motto maybe, "Do Not Try This At Home Kids". :)
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NYMo wrote:i am not an audiophile ! , and i will punch anybody who says i am.... in the nose.. hard
What eclectic audio term would you like to describe yourself as ?
Cheers
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Y
M
O
unqualified sound mechanic is one of my favorites.
heathen , i am not telling how many rooms i am building :)
- i dont actually know with the last weeks set of dramas maybe none ..?
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Rick O'Neil
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rick wrote:NYMo wrote:i am not an audiophile ! , and i will punch anybody who says i am.... in the nose.. hard
What eclectic audio term would you like to describe yourself as ?
Cheers
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Y
M
O
- i dont actually know with the last weeks set of dramas maybe none ..?
I'm usually happy with knob twiddler. And then they laugh and it's all funny. hehe. But nobody really knows what we all do. We are all messin with things we mostly have no control over. Hence we are all in search of the things that give us greater control. peace t'rockers.
:)
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