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I have copied the questions from NYMO's thread..I didnt want to derail his...

but the questions are spot on for what I am seeking....

sooooo

Gigpiglet wrote

thats decent budget for a small console


MY budget probably extends up to 4000 tops, but 3K is better.

what do you actually require? (number of sends? groups? press or just line mixer?)

16 channels min, 24 is great.

2 sends post fader min

Groups would be nice, but not a deal breaker

Preamps, nice, again but not a deal breaker.


are you tracking or mixing or both?

I am really just mixing. I have enough preamps to go straight into the A-D convertors..

depending on your requirements you should something good for that money/ number of channels.


I am really looking for, nice 100mm faders, nice eq 4 band two sweepable mid if I can get it.. though if the EQ is marvelous I dont care really if its 2 band if you get my point. I am thinking of four band for things like mixing toms.

Ideally, VU meters on each channel or the ability to set up a VU meter bridge.

AFL Solo would be great

I would like to be able to get my fingers into the eq controls without knocking everything else around them.


I have been considering Toft ATB 08. But the reliability stories are just scary.

I am not averse to going at something with a soldering iron.


thanks

Pete

Hi Peter,

I'll let you know if I find anything in my travels !

Yeah..I dont like the Toft either !

Cheers

NYMo wrote:Hi Peter,

I'll let you know if I find anything in my travels !

Yeah..I dont like the Toft either !

Cheers

ditto and ditto

8)

here's one I saw on AGGH this morning, might be what you're going for? nothing to do with me

http://www.guitargear.net.au/discussion/index.php/topic,34250.0.html

rightintheface wrote:here's one I saw on AGGH this morning, might be what you're going for? nothing to do with me

http://www.guitargear.net.au/discussion/index.php/topic,34250.0.html

hey thanks for that ... you have to register to see it... anyway of posting the details...thanks


Pete

oop, there ya go. it's a Dayner D&R, for $2.5k

I don't know jack about it, but it's a 32 chan desk, looks to be an ok size

Can't get through that code crap !

Where abouts is it located ?

Cheers

I just PM'd the guy for his details (email, location etc) and will PM them along to you guys if he wants to cross forums...

Mitch et al

Gary here from the AGGH forum, and yes, 32 channel Dayner D + R desk for sale for $2,500.

Here is a brief promo:

"And without a doubt, the D&R's are the quietest consoles I have ever heard. The build is stellar - especially if you adhere to a "less is more - straight wire" philosophy. The pre's are not Neve's, but for transparent pre's they are ABSOLUTELY workable. At times, approaching and surpassing my API's, SHadow Hills, or Purple Biz's, depending on what I'm after - but definately in the same class. The design (like the true i/o module, floating subgroups, master control fader and features far ahead of their time on the Cinemix and Octagon are just now being implemented on Digital Control Surfaces and other console formats) I'd say that's good design on D&R's part, but of course you might differ. The EQ is workable. Not an API550 or 1081, but definately workable. The lack of "Q" control on my OrionX is the biggest problem for me. So you didn't like your 4000. No reason to dfegad all over the line. They are solid consoles and a first choice for many who cannot spend $300,000US for an analog desk. And frankly, who can anymore?"


Its a great desk: virtually NOS, but bumps and knocks from storage moves. You can contact me on
bigfeats"at"internode"dot"on"dot" net

The desks around, new for instance.


Allen and Heath ZED 420,428,436, GL2400

Soundcraft LX7ii, GB4, GB8,GBR2

Midas Venice

Any point in these? From a sonics point of view. I am sensing the answer... 8)

lespauljunior wrote:Mitch et al

Gary here from the AGGH forum, and yes, 32 channel Dayner D + R desk for sale for $2,500.

Here is a brief promo:

"And without a doubt, the D&R's are the quietest consoles I have ever heard. The build is stellar - especially if you adhere to a "less is more - straight wire" philosophy. The pre's are not Neve's, but for transparent pre's they are ABSOLUTELY workable. At times, approaching and surpassing my API's, SHadow Hills, or Purple Biz's, depending on what I'm after - but definately in the same class. The design (like the true i/o module, floating subgroups, master control fader and features far ahead of their time on the Cinemix and Octagon are just now being implemented on Digital Control Surfaces and other console formats) I'd say that's good design on D&R's part, but of course you might differ. The EQ is workable. Not an API550 or 1081, but definately workable. The lack of "Q" control on my OrionX is the biggest problem for me. So you didn't like your 4000. No reason to dfegad all over the line. They are solid consoles and a first choice for many who cannot spend $300,000US for an analog desk. And frankly, who can anymore?"


Its a great desk: virtually NOS, but bumps and knocks from storage moves. You can contact me on
bigfeats"at"internode"dot"on"dot" net

is this the same console listed at mixmasters for 7000??? Cause there is one listed on gumtree in Bondi atm, for 2500 and when I was searching for info on the cosole, I came across exactly the same photo on mixmasters site as the gumtree ad.

Wiz wrote:The desks around, new for instance.


Allen and Heath ZED 420,428,436, GL2400

Soundcraft LX7ii, GB4, GB8,GBR2

Midas Venice

Any point in these? From a sonics point of view. I am sensing the answer... 8)

the sound of tumbleweeds blowing through question...

Wiz wrote:

lespauljunior wrote:Mitch et al

Gary here from the AGGH forum, and yes, 32 channel Dayner D + R desk for sale for $2,500.

Here is a brief promo:

"And without a doubt, the D&R's are the quietest consoles I have ever heard. The build is stellar - especially if you adhere to a "less is more - straight wire" philosophy. The pre's are not Neve's, but for transparent pre's they are ABSOLUTELY workable. At times, approaching and surpassing my API's, SHadow Hills, or Purple Biz's, depending on what I'm after - but definately in the same class. The design (like the true i/o module, floating subgroups, master control fader and features far ahead of their time on the Cinemix and Octagon are just now being implemented on Digital Control Surfaces and other console formats) I'd say that's good design on D&R's part, but of course you might differ. The EQ is workable. Not an API550 or 1081, but definately workable. The lack of "Q" control on my OrionX is the biggest problem for me. So you didn't like your 4000. No reason to dfegad all over the line. They are solid consoles and a first choice for many who cannot spend $300,000US for an analog desk. And frankly, who can anymore?"


Its a great desk: virtually NOS, but bumps and knocks from storage moves. You can contact me on
bigfeats"at"internode"dot"on"dot" net

is this the same console listed at mixmasters for 7000??? Cause there is one listed on gumtree in Bondi atm, for 2500 and when I was searching for info on the cosole, I came across exactly the same photo on mixmasters site as the gumtree ad.

Wouldn't surprise me. Mixmasters' listed prices are overinflated at best of times.

They must be listening, the price has been reduced to 3.4K. But also noticed the Smart AV surface also on Mixmasters for 22K, which I assume it was the Sydney based owner who ran it thru ebay this week with no takers at 10K.

Most of the gear for sale on Mixmasters website isn't "their" gear, nor is it their prices.

...it is on consignment and the owners of the gear set the price. I was going to advertise a soundtracs desk with them years ago. The problem is, they take a commission so if you want to get the price in your head your asking price becomes overinflated to offset the cut mixmasters takes.

Wiz wrote:

Wiz wrote:The desks around, new for instance.


Allen and Heath ZED 420,428,436, GL2400

Soundcraft LX7ii, GB4, GB8,GBR2

Midas Venice

Any point in these? From a sonics point of view. I am sensing the answer... 8)

the sound of tumbleweeds blowing through question...

I'd definitely be comfortable mixing on the Midas.

Sammas wrote:Most of the gear for sale on Mixmasters website isn't "their" gear, nor is it their prices.

...it is on consignment and the owners of the gear set the price. I was going to advertise a soundtracs desk with them years ago. The problem is, they take a commission so if you want to get the price in your head your asking price becomes overinflated to offset the cut mixmasters takes.

Plus they have to add GST. I just bought something from Mick, and he negotiated a price with the owner that was more in-line with ebay prices.

Yeah, that's fair enough, but the question is: " Who will pay the price that's going to make all the parties involved satisfied?" I mean,at this day and age when you can check the street value of a given piece of gear by a mouse click, it's hard to expect that someone will think a 40-50% higher price, negotiated down by 10% is a good deal.
Nothing against Mixmasters, actualy quite the opposite, but not sure how much gear they sell at those prices. (or even reduced by 10-20%)

Senad wrote:Yeah, that's fair enough, but the question is: " Who will pay the price that's going to make all the parties involved satisfied?" I mean,at this day and age when you can check the street value of a given piece of gear by a mouse click, it's hard to expect that someone will think a 40-50% higher price, negotiated down by 10% is a good deal.
Nothing against Mixmasters, actualy quite the opposite, but not sure how much gear they sell at those prices. (or even reduced by 10-20%)

Its a fickle business. Particularly in the current economic climate. There was an Auditronics desk on mixmasters with a price tag of $10000 or so. It ended up on ebay repeatedly with no takes at $1650. A 52 channel Soundcraft Ghost has been doing the rounds at $10000 too... which is nuts when you consider Stef's Soundtracs Jade struggled at that (outrageously low!) price.

Even Legacy Audio have a Roland R-880 advertised at over $4000! Nymo sold his for $850 with an extra remote! The answer your question... someone "might" buy it at those prices. Fair enough really. I am a bargin hunter... but some people out there may have waited a long time for something to come up on the used market and jump at the opportunity.

Sammas wrote:

Senad wrote:Yeah, that's fair enough, but the question is: " Who will pay the price that's going to make all the parties involved satisfied?" I mean,at this day and age when you can check the street value of a given piece of gear by a mouse click, it's hard to expect that someone will think a 40-50% higher price, negotiated down by 10% is a good deal.
Nothing against Mixmasters, actualy quite the opposite, but not sure how much gear they sell at those prices. (or even reduced by 10-20%)

Its a fickle business. Particularly in the current economic climate. There was an Auditronics desk on mixmasters with a price tag of $10000 or so. It ended up on ebay repeatedly with no takes at $1650. A 52 channel Soundcraft Ghost has been doing the rounds at $10000 too... which is nuts when you consider Stef's Soundtracs Jade struggled at that (outrageously low!) price.

Even Legacy Audio have a Roland R-880 advertised at over $4000! Nymo sold his for $850 with an extra remote! The answer your question... someone "might" buy it at those prices. Fair enough really. I am a bargin hunter... but some people out there may have waited a long time for something to come up on the used market and jump at the opportunity.

There is an amek TAC 16 ch console on eBay at the moment which is very well priced

andygriffiths wrote:There is an amek TAC 16 ch console on eBay at the moment which is very well priced

thanks for the heads up

will have a look at it.

cheers

Read the description, the master outs don't work.

Enchilada wrote:Read the description, the master outs don't work.

thanks for the heads up on the heads up


did some reading up on it... tooooooo heavy for me...


need to be able to move it, sometimes...


thanks.

Big heavy boxes have always contained more fun than plasticky light boxes !
( but I understand with a bad back)

Sammas wrote:Its a fickle business. Particularly in the current economic climate. There was an Auditronics desk on mixmasters with a price tag of $10000 or so. It ended up on ebay repeatedly with no takes at $1650. A 52 channel Soundcraft Ghost has been doing the rounds at $10000 too... which is nuts when you consider Stef's Soundtracs Jade struggled at that (outrageously low!) price.

There's a Neve on ebay now for $70K, apparently in Sydney. (I'm guessing it belongs to someone that someone here knows...?)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ORIGINAL-NEV ... 500wt_1054

While I'm not suggesting it isn't worth that, I just can't see anyone buying it at that price, or anywhere close to that.

That's being sold by Sound on Stage.

I think it's the old ABC mobile truck console.
It would have been well looked after by them in the day.

Yes that looks like the old ABC Mobile Truck desk.
That's quite some desk - in fact I've been recorded by it.

From Audio Technology issue 39 article Recording the Eagles Live:

Engineer Dennis Fox was on ABC’s staff when the OB truck was delivered. He tells us more.
Dennis Fox: It’s a custom Neve console that was ordered by the ABC in 1975 and entirely built in England specifically for this truck. It was delivered as a complete unit in late ’76.
Neve in those days only did custom consoles. It has an engineering number but it doesn’t have a model number. This was absolute state of the art in ’76. In current terms it was a million dollar-plus console. It was custom spec’ed, a bit like the Abbey Road Neves. The required spec was +28dBm and Neve exceeded it by 3.5dB. It is completely solid state, there isn’t a single IC, not one electronic switch, everything is mechanical, everything is direct path. And you can replace everything, possibly barring the input and output transformers. There is no desk in the country that this cannot crack – I’m yet to hear a better-sounding console.
We don’t quite know whether the Melbourn sidecar came first or if the Melbourn became a production console based on the work Neve had done on a console like this one. Certainly the pre’s on the Melbourn are the same as what’s on the console. The console and the Melbourn were obviously constructed at the same time.

okay, you blokes talked me into it. I will buy it, lets have a whip around.. get wiz the console..

hmmm, i got 35 bucks in coins, and a used mintie wrapper




Wiz

PS

I have a Allen and Heath Zed R16 arriving today. I am gonna give it a shot, see if it flies, if not, it will be forwarded on to its next owner.

Its worth a shot.