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http://www.popmatters.com/pm/feature/59 ... ing-music/

Cheers

Maybe it should read "How Pro Fools are Destroying Music"

:-)

I know what you mean. It appears everyone is prepared to blame their tools rather then blame their skills.

PT is like an other DAW - cant just blame one, like the article suggests..

There's just no way Nuendo could destroy music.........

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tunetown wrote:There's just no way Nuendo could destroy music.........

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Protools + Waves = Total Destruction

Lock to grid in Tools then smash the dynamics in Waves .....there you have it .........no argument.

http://www.sweetwater.com/feature/video ... height=240

This echoes what Rick has told me from day one.

tunetown wrote:There's just no way Nuendo could destroy music.........

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I agree with Pete, you all need Nuendo to make music, now we have that sorted I'll just put on my flame retardant suit my bike helmet and run like hell. :)

:)

heathen wrote:

tunetown wrote:There's just no way Nuendo could destroy music.........

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I agree with Pete, you all need Nuendo to make music, now we have that sorted I'll just put on my flame retardant suit my bike helmet and run like hell. :)

Nuendo is my favorite DAW, but I fear there is no support for it any more in Australia since Yamaha took it from Music Link. M.L put so much effort into supporting Steinberg products and their tech support staff always bent over backwards to help whenever I had an issue. I tried calling Yamaha recently and after wading through voice command menus asking me about domestic Hi-Fi, I finally got to what I think may have been some kind of pro-product queue, but it never answered so I just gave up.

I started learning to make music on Steinbergs Pro 24 on an old Atari 1040ST (with the giant blue dongle!!) and progressed thru to Cubase. I only decided to get into PT 2 yrs ago - I have spent 1000's of bucks on training so that I was Digi Certified in PT and to me it was learning about what you can do and how you can achieve a desired result.
Regardless of which DAW you use, the aim is to make music that appeals to the consumers.. they dont care if it was made in PT, Cubase, Nuendo, Reaper or any othe the other multitude of DAW's that are available.
Bruce Swedien's comments from the Sweetwater video highlight that "Technology has changed the process of music making, but has not changed the reasons for playing and listening to music. The single most significant cultural importance of early recording devices were by capturing the uniqueness of specific performances and made available the emotional qualities.." Music is not a technological driven business - its still centred in the emotion of the music ".
To me, these are the reasons why we do what we do - regardless of DAW.
T..

" Music is not a technological driven business "

No, you're right............over time, it's become more and more a money driven business.

re the article: boo hoo have a cry... the industry is changing like every other industry out there... multi-skill, we're getting smarter and have access to more information and knowledge than ever so absorb some of it and make your own way

do you really wanna be a tape-op/tea boy earning $10 dollars a day for fifteen years before they let you load a tape in? i don't get why people reminisce so much about it - probably the same people who wish we were still running around on a horse and cart

Martin wrote: - probably the same people who wish we were still running around on a horse and card

cart...

You make a good point, Martin... every other industry has changed over time. But like a lot of things it changed because of things like technology, money, and accountants.

We used to listen to expensive recordings of people that could sing, done on high quality gear, put on records and played on nice sound systems in our lounge rooms- now we listen to 'bedroom' recordings done on cheap gear, we download it off the net at a low quality format and play it on mp3 players! Crazy!

Anyway, we all just gotta keep doing what we love, hey?

probably the same people who wish we were still running around on a horse and card

...and the same people that think "real music" is something that requires drums, bass, and guitars....and has the word rock and or roll in it....

the times certainly have changed, and i dont have enough fingers to count the things that digital systems and DAWs now allow us to do! and no, i dont mean make a shit band sound good....:)

TimS wrote:

Martin wrote: - probably the same people who wish we were still running around on a horse and card

cart...

no its a new digital kind of horse cart that you need a uad card and ilok to use

and the new software update that allows you to stop at an orange light if you want to
the first version was only green for go red for stop , orange kept crashing the system
and kept putting the cart before the horse :)

The article should have read " How Pro-Tools is killing old expensive music studios". There's heaps of great music being made in many a varied location. Maybe the new Music business can focus on making money instead of spending it.

Cheers
Peter

Martin wrote:

TimS wrote:

Martin wrote: - probably the same people who wish we were still running around on a horse and card

cart...

no its a new digital kind of horse cart that you need a uad card and ilok to use

I was a bit too quick on the reply, me thinks... ;-)

Actually if reaper can get the midi as good as steinberg stuff or cakewalk, then I'd swap in a second. It just works, is a tiny program so it loads very fast and is very easy to use and figure out.

Cool name also. :)

I like the fact you can run it from a USB disk..
Very handy..

Blah, I made mistake, duhhhh. Double posted for some silly reason, too many browser windows open. :)

i love the delicious irony of bruce closing with the "music is not technologically driven..." quote being followed by the sweetwater logo - one of the world's biggest purveyors of music technology.

"thanks bruce for that nice little speech about emotion in music. now, back to selling shitloads of bargain-priced hi-tech recording gadgetry..."