bedroom vocal recording....

by **Guest** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:18 pm

Indeed it is. It's true the filter doesn't colour the direct sound but I was amazed at how much reflected sound it does dull down and even sliding the mic in and out of it changes the tone. So if the mics in omni mode to reduce proximity effect the placement of it in the filter can make a big difference.

by **Chris H** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:38 pm

Could be a usefull tool in a few ways, like to tune the room ambience or mess with its positioning to colour the vox. Then again some may find its a PITA as it messes with the sound too much?

by **mfdu** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:51 pm

chris H - yes to both your points.

by **jkhuri44** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:31 pm

Hi all,

thanks for all your help...seriously appreciated!

i got quotes on the Aurelex Wedgies...probably gonna get a 24Pack...and stick those around my room...

+

Grab me an SE reflection filter....

+ Cover my windows with a blanket...or as Kurt does...perhaps screw some MDF over it... :P

and off i go!!! the only problem is...when its raining like today...hahahaha

by **mfdu** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:53 pm

yeah - tin roofs don't help much.

unless you can convince "the client" that the rain sound actually benefits the song.

kind of like the whole "there are no wrong notes, just interesting choices" discussion . . . tee hee.

report back on the wedgies for me, huh? i want, but the missues reckons it makes her loungeroom look like a recording studio.
yeah, i know. it IS.
but then, the whole vibe of my place is to take things outside the "studio" mentality and make things a bit more homey.
screwing MDF over the windows is kinda . . . semi-permanent. i'd hate to be poo-pooed by proper studio bods, but - don't you like natural light?

so i'm actually going to re-cover my fur panels. purely aesthetic. of course, i'll keep the existing fur, and just add another layer over the top. that way they're thicker, denser AND look better.
hmpf. white fur actually gets dirty after a coupl'a years. who'd'a thought?

chris.mfdu

by **jkhuri44** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:58 pm

chris,

the wedgies come in 24 packs....1 square foor by 2 inch thickness....the guy on the phone reckons that should be enough to cover my 4X4 room....ill be spacing the wedgies on each wall...so itll sorta look like the walls of a movie theatre! :P

the place i caled are selling for 200 a pack...but thats prolly RRP...some US online shops are selling for 99 a pack.

so...for a living room...like urs...maybe 2 packs of 24 could do the trick...

you can tell the missus..."it looks like the movies Hun"...if you can somehow get the wedgies in Hoyts Maroon :P

by **Guest** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:52 pm

You could alway cover them in Hoyts Maroon fur.

by **Text_Edifice** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:38 pm

mfdu wrote:
so i'm actually going to re-cover my fur panels. purely aesthetic. of course, i'll keep the existing fur, and just add another layer over the top. that way they're thicker, denser AND look better.
hmpf. white fur actually gets dirty after a coupl'a years. who'd'a thought?

chris.mfdu

Chris - can you talk me through the rationale behind the fur? The most common basic absorber panels I've seen for DIY jobs are a frame with rockwool or / and fibreglass covered in some sort of fabric. I'm assuming the fur is used in place of the fibreglass?? Why this decision and any idea how it compares? Helping a friend diy some movable absorbers at the moment so interested in some new ideas.

Also I know this is a whole other topic in itself BUT diy bass traps - any thoughts on best / easiest design that will actually make some difference? Would prefer not to be messing around with fibreglass and wire frames if possible...

by **jkhuri44** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:39 pm

yo text...

thats good u brought up bass traps...coz i should probably do something like taht for my corners as well...
just to be super safe :)

a DIY bass trap option would be great...save a lot of money :P

by **Text_Edifice** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:57 pm

To be honest I haven't bothered with bass traps in my own home room - but being an older queenslander bass buildup isn't really such a big deal, more a problem that the low end leaks out and pisses off the neighbours...

My own philosophy for my home setup (which is admittedly in boxes at the moment after moving back to oz from os) has been not to mess with anything unless there's a very obvious problem as I don't have the leeway to mess with the room (rental property) and I tend to only use it for tracking overdubs and editing / light mixing.

My friends room however has a buildup of low-mid frequencies that's evident just holding a conversation in the room so looking at all options to try and get the space as optimal as possible.

by **mfdu** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:09 pm

hoi hoi

nah - the fur is for diffusion, not bass absorption. most of the panels have rockwool backing to do some work in the bass areas.

i doubt the fur does much, apart from appeal to a very stoned rhythm guitarist in between takes.

oh, and the kitten likes to try and climb them.

nah - really, the fur does earn itself a place on the wall by softening the early reflections. but note i say 'softening'. take it all down and (yeah, you've just removed the rockwool as well) all of a sudden the room is all ZING and HISS and P-P-POW.

real men make real bass-traps. i just re-imagined canvas art panels from the local $2 shop.

chris.mfdu

by **Text_Edifice** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:15 pm

Thanks chris - I was wondering how on earth fur could assist in the process and couldn't come up with a good explanation. Makes sense that there isn't really one but always open to new ideas...

by **mfdu** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:29 pm

yeah - just pimpin'

by **Sheer Noise** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:53 pm

RE: DIY Bass traps...

When I did my room, (keeping in mind that I'm a producer more than an engineer - so not quite as precise with the math....) I used some Ikea toy holders filled with rolled Tontine as bass traps in the corner. Like these, only a bit larger - http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/90096786

I cut tontine to size, rolled it up and stuck it inside, then sewed some felt(ish) material around the whole thing.

They work GREAT.

Dave

by **Text_Edifice** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:58 pm

interesting... you'll have to excuse my ignorance here but what is tontine?

by **Kris** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:05 pm

Think "pillows".

by **Text_Edifice** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:10 pm

ahh actually found it at a building supply shop - australian made polyester insulation material, nice. I think this is actually what I'm looking for to slot in front of the rockwool for the wall absorbers... just have to figure out where the cheapest place to buy the stuff is...

by **Sheer Noise** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:12 pm

sorry...

Tontine's an acoustic insulation... similar to rockwool in application, but the stuff I've used is much denser composition.... and A LOT more expensive. I used rockwool inside the walls to help stop sound getting out, but for any "treatment" of acoustics inside the room, I've used this stuff... cool 'cause it comes in heaps of different thicknesses.

I got a stack from an "off-cuts" bin out the back of a place in Seven Hills... a fellow local studio owner tipped me off to the joint and I go back there any time I need a bit more... sometimes the trip is more fruitful than others.

Here's a supplier and some data... (not necessarily where I get mine... I doubt they'd like 10 or 15 more blokes to start popping out each month for "scraps")....

http://www.spec-net.com.au/tontine/index.htm

Dave

by **Text_Edifice** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:18 pm

yeah took a look at the price and wigged out - dunno if there's anywhere in Bris that will have it but definitely worth taking a look around.

by **Text_Edifice** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:20 pm

oh - any thoughts on what to try and find? I notice the sound batts would probably do the trick and might work out a bit cheaper than the acousticsorb stuff (though this is what's recommended for 'studio' applications).

by **Kurt** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:55 pm

The mdf on the window is 'coz my neighbours have yappy dogs.

My panels are just 3"rockwool in a timber frame, covered with muslin. The first one I made I lined the front with dacron but it made little difference and would have doubled the cost to do them all.

Tontine is just a brand of dacron (polyester) wadding, there are several others around that I think are quite a bit cheaper. Auspoly is one, but I don't know where you buy it from.

by **jkhuri44** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:52 pm

i just bought this:

http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php?opt ... view&id=47

coz i needed a mic stand too...thought this design looks sturdier and less fiddly than the SE electronics reflexion filter....

gonna set up my room over the next few days...and see how it goes :)

Jamil.

by **mfdu** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:40 pm

hey - let us know how it works for you!

chris.mfdu

by **jkhuri44** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:45 pm

ohh, and I also a Stedman PS101 metal grille pop shield...god damn that thing looks pimp...! :P

its pretty awesome, u can virtually blow in the pop shield, and as long as the mic is 2 inches away, all the air...as advertised is directed downwards, thus missing the mic capsule...and alllowing only the sound to pass!!! AWESOME!!

just gotta grab a condensor and play now....

by **TimS** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:26 am

Jamil,
I use a Stedman ProScreen XL pop filter (the pricey one) and an SM Pro Mic Thing also - they are very good for the price for what they can do..
Tim..

by **jkhuri44** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:19 pm

yo tim..good to hear u've got the same stuff...:P have u had experience with the SE reflexion filter...i was hoping that the "Mic Thing" did the same thing....to me they seem to do the same shit...i havent heard both though...

by **TimS** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:15 pm

jkhuri44 wrote:yo tim..good to hear u've got the same stuff...:P have u had experience with the SE reflexion filter...i was hoping that the "Mic Thing" did the same thing....to me they seem to do the same shit...i havent heard both though...

Was going to get one, but at twice the price of the SM Pro Mic Thing, I thought.... NAH!!
I got mine from Tunetown as he had 2 anyway..

by **jkhuri44** » Thu May 08, 2008 6:23 pm

thanks guys for all ur help...been recording vox today...in my bedroom...from 12pm till 5pm :)

ended up using the SM Pro Mic Thing and behind that a rackstand with a bar across is sorta like a crucifix, with a blanket hanging over to catch the reflections in the back....

hired an original U47 going into chris P's JLM Baby Animal into a Prism AD-124 convertor....

and holy f%$K am i happy :P

by **TimS** » Thu May 08, 2008 9:53 pm

jkhuri44 wrote:thanks guys for all ur help...been recording vox today...in my bedroom...from 12pm till 5pm :)

ended up using the SM Pro Mic Thing and behind that a rackstand with a bar across is sorta like a crucifix, with a blanket hanging over to catch the reflections in the back....

hired an original U47 going into chris P's JLM Baby Animal into a Prism AD-124 convertor....

and holy f%$K am i happy :P

Where's your MC77 in the signal chain?? Hmmmm, you're missing something...

by **jkhuri44** » Thu May 08, 2008 11:44 pm

hey tim...no more rental money!! thats where the mc77 went :P

bedroom vocal recording....

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