Gear Recommendation & Advice

[smash]

I need to organise a vocal chain for a "broadcast" system. I want to set the system up as a "Set and Forget" vocal chain.
The same speaker will be speaking always, and I need to remove the oportunity for the volunteers to change things and stuff them up.

Whilst in an ideal world, there is always a dedicated broadcast audio tech, this unfortunately is not the reality.

Basically we will be running a split of a RF reciever (source is a countryman lapel).

One half of the split is going about a foot to a 1d, the other side will need to run 300 m to our broadcast shed.
I would like to have the preamp set to a fixed gain, going into an existing compressor, which will then be split again, once to our digibeta recorder, and also to a web feed.

So...

I assume I need 2 x Active splitters, one at each end.

Anyone got any good reliable active splitters to recommend?
Also, I am assuming that I will get best results if I place the pre at the beginning at the cable run. Anyone know any Pre's that would be more suited to

a) Driving that length of cable, and
b) Is their a "standard" radio/broadcast type pre that sounds better on vocals.
c) Assuming that I will put the pre at that end, it would be great if I could "lock off" the gain, as I really don't want anyone touching it.

Thoughts?

Thinking a Neve is probably a bit OTT...


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Simon "Smash" Ashby
I bang my head walls professionally

[Kurt]

I think most "low-end" compressors have two outputs, xlr and trs so you don't need a second splitter. In fact I'm sure some rf receivers also have dual outputs so you may not need any splitters at all.

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A pre is a pre. Shouldn't any competent unit do the job?
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Don't know how to stop people fiddling with knobs.

[smash]

Our RF receivers unfortunately only have 1 balanced output.

I could go from the unbalanced out into something like a Golden age 73 (has a DI input), but I wasn't sure if active splitting a Balanced output would give better results?

[jkhuri44]

Check out Radial Products, or Little Labs...hi quality signal management devices.

Neve pre for broadcast? maybe too coloured?

Maybe check out a stereo pre like the DAV Electronics Broadhurst Gardens 1 pre....very cost effective, and a big choice amongst classical recordists, big and clean sound...

plug a great mic into that, and u'r laughing for dialogue recording imo.

[wez]

Neve pre for broadcast? maybe too coloured?.

ummm, the BBC didn't seem to think so for 40-odd years

;-)

[jkhuri44]

Neve pre for broadcast? maybe too coloured?.

ummm, the BBC didn't seem to think so for 40-odd years

;-)

2010? + $$ considerations?

[jkhuri44]

also , matching field dialogue, reocrded on shitty solid state recorders, and Nagra's, etc with Neve recordings....bit of a tonal mismatch....

some of the big houses in Sydney record their foley and such with average pre's and mics...the last i saw, was using presonus pre's.

[smash]

To go into further details -

The audio involved is a pastor in a church that produces a syndicated TV show.

The "preach" is recorded, no vocal overdubs are made.

At present the signal is going into a PM1D, a mix send is then sent to a pretty average Mackie Desk, which then goes to the Web, and to a Digibeta deck.

The headset mike is EQ'd to not feed back in the auditorium - not necessarily to sound ideal, and then is compressed also.

I have tried to get a dedicated clean feed, but there are different sound guys, this sometimes doesn't happen.


The signal is then sent to the mackie in the control room, where too many people have access to the settings, I have found weird EQ settings, as well as volunteers who have turned the master down on the desk, rather than on the DVD recorders, subsequently meaning that record levels on the deck are way down.


I am trying to basically ensure that the signal recorded is independent of any operator errors.

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Simon "Smash" Ashby

[smash]

the last i saw, was using presonus pre's.

Can a crappy pre handle a 300m Cable Run?

[smash]

I'm thinking...

Receiver ->

Transformer Balanced Split->
Direct to House PM1D
Transformer out to ->

Golden Age Pre (A little colur might be nice) ->

EQ (not sure what) ->

300m Cable Run ->

Existing TC Triple C Compressor

Transformer Balanced Split->
Direct to Digibeta Recorder
Transformer out to ->

Existing Mackie Desk->

Feed to Web, Dublication, House RF Distro.

This sound about right guys?

[jkhuri44]

the last i saw, was using presonus pre's.

Can a crappy pre handle a 300m Cable Run?

an output buffer can.

[smash]

an output buffer can.

I'm not used to this sort of thing...

What's an output buffer?

[Kurt]

The GAP has two balanced outs so you could use it to add a little mojo to the house sound too?

RF Receiver ->GAP -> 01D
-> EQ -> Compressor -> etc...

[jkhuri44]

an output buffer can.

I'm not used to this sort of thing...

What's an output buffer?

http://www.sjmediasystem.com/l200-xlr.html

something like this, but better?

not sure any pre's are gonna have a good time driving 300 m?

[smash]

GAO

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Simon "Smash" Ashby

[Ausrock]

GAO/GAP=Golden Age Pre

[musikwerks]

Just take an AES split from the 1D. It's already there.

Run 1 AES/BNC cable from auditorium to broadcast, then de-embed it at the other end with an AJA AES to analog box. http://www.aja.com/products/converters/ ... d-ada4.php

Other than running the cable, the infrastructure already exists.

You can always send it over cat5.... http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=2570

Simon, call me... you're making this way more difficult that it needs to be. It's actually very simple.

[smash]

Kris - sent you a PM - we should discuss in details, but there are methods in my madness...

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