Mics and drums for sale... Price drop!

[danander11]

This is an AUSTRALIA ONLY sale.

I will list here for a few days so that you folks can get first dibs on stuff, then it’s off to Ebay for the lot…

Rode Classic II Microphone. $1150
Comes with case, power supply, shock mount, rigid mount, everything.
I sent this mic to Rode about 6 months ago for servicing. They replaced the capsule and valve and made sure that it was working flawlessly. I have only used it once since getting it back, (which is why I’m selling it), as a ‘side’ for a mid-side setup on an acoustic guitar. Sound is perfect in it, (and very well balanced in figure eight mode).

Shure Beta 52. $150
Like new, only used a few times, (why I’m selling it). Works perfectly.

Shure PG drum mics. $175
One PG52 and three PG56. I have two sets of these that I use when I play live. I only need one. They look and work perfectly and have not been abused. About a year old.

McDSP Channel G Native V4 (transferrable) $Sold!
iLok fee included *

McDSP Filterbank Native V4 (transferrable) $100
iLok fee included

Yamaha Recording Custom drum kit (Late 90’s or early 2000’s model). $1300
8, 10, 12, 13, 14 & 16 Toms in standard shell depths, 16 x 24” kick. These are cherry finish and sound awesome. With the exception of the 8” they have the YESS system installed. The 8” was originally piano black but I removed the finish and stained the shell to match the rest of the kit. All bearing edges are in very good shape. The shells themselves have some dings and knocks as you would expect, but they still are beautiful to look at. There are no stands with this kit, but I will include a tom mount arm for each of the toms that require it. Used but decent heads on them still.

All items are located in Perth. Local pickup would be best. I will ship but shipping/insurance will be at the purchasers expense. I can ship everything except the drums via Auspost.

For the drums, a courier would need to be arranged. However, I will strip the drums down to the shell and pack everything into two large boxes. The purchaser would have to reassemble the kit.. (an easy enough task).

All that being said, I would prefer Paypal (I’ll eat the fees), direct bank transfer, or cashola!

Email me for pics if you want them.

Feel free to make offers, however I feel that these prices are reasonable and fair. If your offer is silly, don’t expect an answer back.

Lastly, if you have a Focusrite ISA428 in very good nick.. (original model with the VU meters) I would be willing to work something out regarding trade/cash/combo. I don’t need one of these, I just happen to like them.

Peace!

[HA_DA_JA]

Wow Yamaha recording series drums where my most favourite drums of the 90's.
Alex Acuna was a legend on them.
Good luck with sale

[danander11]

Wow Yamaha recording series drums where my most favourite drums of the 90's.
Alex Acuna was a legend on them.
Good luck with sale

Thanks.. The RC's are played by some of the best players in the world, and Yamaha has had a stable of loyal users for decades.. These are great drums, (My 6th Yammie kit), but I use my 12yo DW's all the time now and these are just sitting here. Someone should enjoy them.

[rick]

thread movement sideways for a sec
does your dw kit have a 24" kick as well ?
wanna give me a comparison between the two kits DW/yamaha 9000

late in life ( much later ) i have my eye on either / both a DW and a yamaha 9000 for the new studio but really i dont know squat about drums other then to work with what i am hearing on the day if i am being brutally honest
but i learn fast if i am interested - and i am intersted

i am looking for a VERY loud (toto-esk) modern kit - to contrast the vintage ludwig or gretschs i will not be able to stop myself buying for the studio .
nothing to do with the current wooden drumkit dreams i am having

so i understand the fashion behind playing the DW over the yamaha - but what about the reality ..?

i know drummers who tell me just buy a yamaha 9000 and stop asking questions
but i dont need one for ages so --- question question questions

[danander11]

Rick..

I can only give my opinion based on my personal tastes..

I have been a yamaha guy for over 30 years... I love them. The 9000/RC drums get better sounding each year in my opinion. Everyone that I have known for any length of time that plays Yammies are the most brand loyal muso's I know. They're just good. I scored a prototype 9000 kit back in the late 70's, early 80's from Keith at the (then) Drum Shop in Houston and never looked back. I've played Yammies, 3 different DW kits, ludwigs, and sporadic on a host of other kits.. (Gretsch needs a positive mention here).

The 9000/RC's are birch so right away they are going to sound a bit different to most kits going today (which are maple).. They are a bit sharper and maybe more 'defined' to my ear. They do require that you spend time tuning them properly but achieve a sound like no other. They were originally designed with Remo Pinstripes in mind, but I prefer the Evans EC2 coated (a bit warmer and less 'thuddy'). This kit is a great kit for any style, (well, it would be hard to play jazz with a 24" kick), and is certainly a loud enough kit for any rock situation you want to put it into.

That being said, I mostly play for my church and churches around the area so I was looking for a bit of a more 'modern' sounding kit.. and got a 22" kick instead of a 24, and dropped down to a standard 2 up-2 down configuration. The kit that I bought was a 12 year old DW kit with keller shells.. not optimal for DW die-hards, but this kit is the finest 'pure' sounding drumkit I have ever heard. Bar none. After playing them for the first time I packed my RC's away.. They are just more suited to where I am as a drummer these days. That being said, I miss the body, (chest-thump) of the 24 (and having 8 million toms to play). There's just something about 'meat' that's primal and works every time. One way I've adapted is to go from a D112 inside to a D6. That mic works brilliantly with a 22... I just did a little side-by-side this morning here at home and was blown away.. (Thanks Simon!).

These kits are night and day from each other. The RC's have 10mm+ thick shells and sound great with a lot of attack and presence. The Dubs have a 3mm thick shell and resonate for days.. and they are as warm as momma's buttermilk biscuits..

In the end, if you want loud and proud, go with the 9000's/RC's, or even a newer DW kit.. if you want some silky toast.. get a set of keller shelled DW's or Gretsch (older).. That would be my advice to anyone.

Again, it's just my opinion, of which I've been known to have one or two of..

Peace!

[quote="rick"]thread movement sideways for a sec
does your dw kit have a 24" kick as well ?
wanna give me a comparison between the two kits DW/yamaha 9000 (snip to remove too many smilies)

[headman]

Old Gretsch drums always require a positive mention (especially the 20'' bass drum)

headman

[jhol]

a friend of mine is pretty keen to buy a set of 9000's to play on his new album, i'll pass on the link. (he already uses a gretsch which sounds amazing)


rick, we have a 9000 in our home studio - i really really like it. used to have a DW collector which was a pretty good modern punk/modern rock kit. didnt require a lot of tweaking it almost always sounded good.

yamaha's do need a bit of tweaking and we cant seem to get the 12 inch to sound good, it doesnt have as full a note and sounds like its from another drum kit, ive heard other people mention that as problem sometimes.
Keith Karlock (steely dan, Wayne krantz, Sean wayland - one of my personal favourites ) pretty sure he had 9000's but now plays a new yamaha made from oak[b][/b] i love how he tunes the kick on the Wayne Krantz stuff.Vinnie Coleuta used to use them now he is endoresed by gretsch i believe, but still uses yamaha's on occaision.
Carter Beauford of dave matthews band used 9000's and now has the newest yamaha kit.

just thought id chime in anyway. i am really liking what i have heard of carlock using the oak kit

[Suburban Studios]

Hi guys,

Sorry Dan, but we have seriously derailed your for-sale thread. I thought I'd help keep the train well off the intended tracks and add my two cents regarding drum-kit comparisons.

I currently play both a DW kit and a Yamaha Oak Custom, in addition to a Sonor kit from time to time. The Yamaha Oak Customs are definitely very loud, with great projection and attack, however at these price points and given the attendant quality of construction, it really is a matter of personal preference and head selection/tuning. The wood type (maple/birch/oak), shell sizes, number of ply's/shell thickness, and head choice will make a much greater difference than a DW/Yamaha difference.

Yamaha (RC's in particular) are great and have developed a solid reputation, however I believe this has a lot to do with their ubiquitous presence in the early studio scene, when session-drummers with high profile endorsements ruled the roost, and their were only a few brands making high quality kits with consistently tight manufacturing tolerances etc...

Things have changed and there are lots of great boutique makers, in addition to high quality kits from a number of mainstream manufacturers. Yamaha, DW, Sonor, Gretsch, Pearl, Tama etc... all make great kits, and will all deliver great sounds given the obvious foundations are taken care of: appropriate heads for the chosen idiom, good tuning and a drummer who can really play.

A 24inch bass drum needs a large room to speak, and is definitely not a kick suitable for too many styles. You would be surprised how well a smaller kick can project, and will even pump out the lower end of the frequency spectrum when tuned well with the right heads/muffling. I use a 16" DW kick for most of my gigs (partly for the ease of moving/set-up, but I also love the sound). As regards a loud modern drum-kit, the trend is towards thinner, harder shell-materials with great projection. The Yamaha Oaks are definitely designed with this in mind, however modern DW maple-shelled kits are also built along the same lines. These are very different from the kit sounds of the 70's, which tended towards heavier, thicker shells, and heavy two-ply heads, for that dead, slightly muffled sound. I remember playing a 70's Sonor kit that had the thickest shells I have ever seen. It was so heavy I could never envisage owning one, purely based on the fact that I would never want to move it. You can't go wrong with any modern kit from DW, Yamaha, Gretsch etc... Just make sure the shell sizes/materials suit your intended style. For a serious band well versed in a particular style, I would expect them to bring in their own kit, tuned to their needs, however for a generic pop/rock studio kit any of the major name-brands will do. If you want the flavor of the month/decade, a DW will do nicely. Check out the Sonor kits as well, a bit pricey but great well-made instruments.

Hope my two cents helps.
Cheers, George.

[danander11]

LOL George... It's all good.

Absolutely right on the heads... and on smaller kicks.. I like them, but I like (better) something with meat on it. A small kick is deadly punchy and can be eq'ed very nicely. I just like the feel and sound of a larger kick.. (though a 20" Gretsch is the best I've ever heard).

As for this stuff, I'll sell what I sell and keep what I don't. I can always tell wifey that I tried

besides, I come for the convo mostly anyways.. though I never say much.

(what was it Mark Twain said?.. "Better to keep your mouth shut and have them suspect that you are a fool.., than to open it and prove them right."... Good advice that I've tried to heed for years now.. lol)

[Drumstruck]

More apologies for derailing your thread Dan, but this topic is close to my heart and I couldn't resist.....

All good advice in the previous posts - I had a set of Yam Stage Custom Birch that sounded excellent but were a bit more towards rock music.... DWs deserve the good name they have now as do Sonors (and many others).

My 80s Gretsch maple kit (24"BD / 13" & 14" toms / 18" Floor tom / 14x6.5" snare) would be very hard to beat (haha) for what you're after Rick. It was SO big and loud sounding, and SO sensitive - and tuned beautifully with the diecast rims.... a USA Custom would be the modern equivalent. Currently I have a Gretsch mahogany kit for the warmer sound and more versatility, but it's probably not the big sounding kit you're after, though the 24" BD kicks freckle.

Another option - support Oz and consider a Sleishman kit - these are as good as you'll get.

Also consider a Roland TD20x - extremely versatile - and it's the kit I play mostly now - the module sounds can be excellent (when configured well) and some of the VST kits on the market are also very good. DI (analog and digital) and MIDI recording - I'm sure I'm preaching to the converted .....

[ChrisW]

Sorry I have to slightly disagree about the characterization of Yamaha and their popularity among players.
We're talking the 80's not the 50's and 60's ('early studio scene') and there were plenty of great kits around, but yes, Yamaha 9000 just happened to sound particularly good, easy to make sound good and were very well made (inc Hardware), which is why people used them and endorsed them.
The first time I heard one in person was a session with Jerry Marotta in about '82. I went straight out and bought a kit myself.
Yes, Yamaha was flavour of the decade in the 80's, as are DW now (in my humble opinion).
I got to hear Carlock's Yamaha Oak kit (again in person). Not my cup of tea, but definitely loud, and stunning to look at, excellent build quality.
I don't think you can go wrong with Yamaha 9000 from a recording point of view, although they are not 'loud'.
I'm not a fan of the DW sound particularly, but they are certainly going to be a draw to your studio if that's of any interest to you.
The best modern drums are the boutique makers in my opinion - Pork Pie, Noble & Cooley and Craviotto $$$$$$$$!
Of the factory made kits, I think they are all of equal quality (which is to say very good) and it just becomes a question of hardware choices and cosmetics (Pearl, Yamaha, Gretsch Tama, Ludwig, DW).
Most modern made, mainstream kits will deliver excellent results.
I exclusively use DW hardware, so I'm not a 'hater'.

[danander11]

I'll chuck one more Oz maker in.. Brady. Chris, Rick and the guys are premium gents that really strive towards perfection with their drums.. They are beautiful in sound, appearance, and quality and rival any boutique drum manufacturer going right now. One of the first things I did after moving from Sydney to Perth a few years ago was to go and visit their shop... If I only had more money I would own even more Brady drums.. (so would my 5 year old). They're not as loud as Oak Customs, but they are rich and beautiful using 100% Australian wood.

With regard to the 9000's not being loud.. My RC's are 'seemingly' louder than my dubs.. The sound is sharper and a bit more focussed due to shell material and construction (being so thick) than my dubs.. the thin shell on my maple kit resonate for days and to my ear are 'warmer'. Everyone that I've played with that I have used both kits with say that the RC's are louder as well. I think it's more of a perception than anything else.

In the end, it will come down to what it always comes down to.. The drummer, the tuning, head selection and sticks. I have never cared much for the pinstripe sound, but RC's with Emperors or EC2's sound pretty darned good in my opinion.

(Rick is gonna end up moving this thread.. )

[Drumstruck]

+ 1 for Brady too - beautiful drums - love the Jarrah sound especially.

Big bump for Dan's Yams - the birch kits have a really nice sound with good top end and bottom end - imo not as middly as maple tends to sound.

[Kurt]

No Sleishman love? The handful of drummers I know that have them love them and I've never heard one sound bad.

[ChrisW]

I've never played any Sleishman.
They seem very expensive!
FWIW, I recorded Yamaha 9000 with Julian Cope (loud, indie-ish rock).
If you want loud you just turn up the mics don't you.
But then I get that Brady and Yammy Oak have a somewhat loud timbre.

[Drumstruck]

No Sleishman love? The handful of drummers I know that have them love them and I've never heard one sound bad.

Look 4 posts up

I finally got me some Sleishman - been wanting them for years - they are expensive, but they are unique - unsurpassed resonance.

re Yammy oak - nice but loud and high/middly (clangy) - quite limited in the styles they work with imo - I'd go with a rototom kit for 1/4 of the price instead.

[danander11]

re Yammy oak - nice but loud and high/middly (clangy) - quite limited in the styles they work with imo - I'd go with a rototom kit for 1/4 of the price instead.

LOL.. Talk about bringing back some early 1980 memories... Well, what few of them I have left that is...

[Kurt]

At a gig once I watched the drummer set up his big Sleishman kit, have a bash to make sure it was set up right etc.. it sounded fantastic. I went over to mic it up and ol'mate hands me 2 guitar leads..

Me, "Umm, really?"
Ol'mate, "Yeah, makes your life easier"
Me, "Kick and snare?"
Ol'mate, "Nah, the whole kit mate"
Me, "Errrr, really? Righto then!"

[HA_DA_JA]

Interesting what you said earlier about the 12" drum.
I was doing some reading on Steve Gadd and how he extensively used the RC9000 during his time and has put out a re-issue RC9000 kit at some extreme price. This is what he said recently about the 12" tom. I am not sure if this was in reference to the older 12" toms or the newer ones or just 12" toms in general.

"You can loosen up a small drum and make it sound big and deep. You can also tighten it up so it speaks with a high pitch. But you can't get a 12" drum to go that high without choking up."

Here is the entire link.

http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/drum ... 447/review

Cheers

[danander11]

Interesting what you said earlier about the 12" drum.
I was doing some reading on Steve Gadd and how he extensively used the RC9000 during his time and has put out a re-issue RC9000 kit at some extreme price. This is what he said recently about the 12" tom. I am not sure if this was in reference to the older 12" toms or the newer ones or just 12" toms in general.

"You can loosen up a small drum and make it sound big and deep. You can also tighten it up so it speaks with a high pitch. But you can't get a 12" drum to go that high without choking up."

Here is the entire link.

http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/drum ... 447/review

Cheers

A 12 is kind of a baseline for me.. Whenever I approach a new or borrowed kit, I tune the 12 first where it sounds good, then the rest of the kit in relation to that. When they sound good, they sound REAL good, when they don't... look for a replacement sample..

Back on topic... Anyone wanna buy a Rode mic? I'll cut a deal for a TR member...

[jhol]

thanks for the info re the 12 inch.
I'm no drummer but i never really liked how it sounded compared to the other toms, and a few guys that have come in think its a bit tricky to tune in and reckon that they have heard/had experience with problems with the 12 inch. i'll have to look at it again, but I'm pretty sure going larger than 12 inch they add another ply to the shell?? perhaps if there is a modification to the Gadd kit it may be that the 12 inch has another ply, as it states in the article, the 10 inch has become almost standard now. no need for a lighter shell as no need for tuning the 12 inch up high?? maybe a drummer can tell me if my logic is sound?

anyway we aren't trying to tune it high as we have an 8" and 10" . i think its a matter of more experimenting with skins and tuning. it really does sound like its from a different kit compared to the rest of the drums. what am i trying to say, coffee still hasn't kicked in...
ok other toms, not tuned properly - they still sound like a yamaha kit. the 12 just doesn't sound very good.

wish i had a room like this to record drums in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sENcdzpHNE

[ChrisW]

To be fair, the 12" tom is as important to Gadd as the 10". What got nixed was the 13".
Actually what has become a bit of a standard is 2" gap between toms. So many players now opt for 10, 12, 14, 16 and 18" toms, or combos based on that.
Can't say I've had a problem tuning a Yammy 12" tom. Tuning a kit with both 12" and 13" toms can be harder, which is what I think Gadd was referring to.

[danander11]

Price drop.. A few more days then off to ebay.

(I agree with Chris's last post. Any drum can be tuned to sound decent at minimum, (heads and bearing edges excepting), the trick is getting it to sound good with the rest of the kit. The 12" tom is a staple and has a beautiful sound when tuned).

[rick]

all very interesting
the reasoning behind the loud kit lust should be explained

i have done several sessions over the years with specifically loud kits and very light cymbals
what this acheived was room sounds that were WAY more kit then cymbals

Don Gehman showed me this at festival for the first time a long time ago
previous to that we just called in ricky fataar because he made any kit twice as loud !

But Don said something like the trouble is players hate using light cymbals live because they smash them up too quick
so you got to get a loud drum / light studio specific kit to get that sound
its has stuck with me .

thoughts ?

[rick]

oh by the way at that price if i had a drum room and any money (both are still in my imagination )
i would be buying those yamaha 9000s off you in ten secs flat

[Gian]

I only like the sound of heavy cymbals hit hard. But then I hate being near them (hurts my ears).
And, I have to agree with you, RIck, that they tend to drown out the kit.

So my preference is light cymbals - hit well.

I like jazz too, so that may skew my perspective.

[danander11]

Me? Starting when I did, my preference has always been for medium to medium thin Zildjian A's. I love K rides and hats as well, but the crashes were always a bit dark for me.. I've always been a loud player so I guess that's helped as much as hindered.. (I got booted from a rock band in the 70's for playing too loud.. ).

A lot of the guys I know like A Customs for live work because they crash and decay a bit 'faster', they're bright and don't get in the way too much.. but almost to a person they prefer a heavier cymbal with body. The A Customs always sound a bit 'tinny' to me.. though they make great splashes!

[Drumstruck]

2c more for just 5c (rounding up)....

Great cymbals are what they are - some are light and some are heavy - I (fortunately) have some wonderful cymbals that range from paperthin to very heavy in a variety of brands and millings. As a general rule of thumb if you want volume and sustain then heavier is more likely the answer / if you want them quick to respond and disappear then paperthin - chinas can be the exception to this rule.... The sticks (or brushes) used will make a very big difference too - e.g. I have some Turk crashes that work beautifully as rides with brushes and a heavy ride that roars with heavier sticks.

For drums - I spent 2 minutes playing with the tuning of my 20" Sleishman bass drum yesterday and it went from sounding good to sounding HUGE - so sell a spare Neve and go with these Rick (if you don't buy Dan's drums that is)

[rick]

i am not buying drums - just talkin drums
we never seem to talk drums around here

[Drumstruck]

love talkin' drums - nearly as much as playin' drums

I heard somewhere that Dan wanted to talk about Yamaha drums