What's happening to the recording industry? and its future?

[ChrisW]

PS: Every time it rains, the copper wire from the Telstra box to our house craps out and we can't use the landline.
Copper is victorian technology - the era, not the state!

[Manning]

I'm not sure the miners want the NBN. Why would they?

Data management is a huge aspect of mining operations - second only to the plant machinery in terms of cost. Mines output staggering amounts of data, which in a copper-based world has to be managed onsite. Mines already have disproportionate IT costs and having full remote management would save them a fortune. First imagine Xstrata managing its 57 mine sites from a single office building in Rockhampton. Then imagine each individual system specialist managing the system 24/7 from their house. The accountants are salivating.

FWIW - outside of music, high volume data management is what I actually do for a living.

[ChrisW]

Good to know.
That's the only good thing about mining then.

I have been planning to move somewhere where the NBN was already working however.
Not sure where. maybe Adelaide.

[The Tasmanian]

Manning - this is a discussion about our industry, and its ultimate survival, not a clairvoyant future prediction.
You have SO much faith in the unknown.

I'll stay with the facts that have been stated for now, consult some palm reader maybe in the future..

And I wont risk my industry's survival on a "hunch"

I dont give a shit about politics/ ALP NLP - whoever!
- but I do care deeply about what is on offer for our future, and I dont do palm reading at this important juncture in time...

But - fine by me if you want to read the "horror scopes"
I'll fight for whats on offer - now.

[Manning]

Chris

I work in high volume data. It's not "faith in the unknown", it's what I do every day.

And I can tell you from firsthand knowledge that the CEOs of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne are pressuring for exactly what you want. FTTP and nothing less.

The real financial value of the NBN is not in TV or creative arts but in the enormous cost savings it represents to big business. That is why it will happen - that is why the NBN is getting built in the first place.

No, the needs of the music industry aren't being considered, they never will be. That's just reality.

But for once in our lives, something that big business wants (and hence WILL get) actually aligns with the needs of the creative arts.

So enjoy it, it probably won't happen again.

[ChrisW]

I have no doubt something resembling the NBN will rollout in the CBD's where big company's are headquartered. As you say, Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne. But the Labor plan is to dismantle the technological divide between CBD and rural. Not only allowing those outside the major cities to engage with the rest of the world, but to raise the standard of our schools and hospitals via the web.
It's expensive to own and run a studio in the CBD. No one wants a studio in a residential area.
Outside Australia the music industry is operating globally. I know people in London working with people in LA daily.
I gotta agree with Chris. The NBN will be a lifeblood for Aussie creatives, and allow us to live in cheaper locations and not clog up the roads on the daily commute into The City.
Again I agree with Chris. Your predictions are comforting, but I don't trust the LNP to roll out superfast broadband to small towns, where there are no mines and no company CEOs. Abbott and Turnbull have said as much. they think it's a waste of money to bring the NBN to non CBD, non businesspark customers.

[The Tasmanian]

Sorry Manning - I'll call you out on your data industry "blindness"

I respect you and your field of expertise - but why would a business man want a guy in the western suburbs of Syd to have the NBN? some low life dole bludging extremely talented muso?
No-one gives a shit about the poor, if their aint no industry needing it nearby, then there is NO way in hell this guy will get it. Dream on!!!

I believe if we ALL get the NBN - to the house, then we can be creative, we can invent/invest in new businesses.
Banks /mining/Coles/Woolies - who cares what they do, and how much extreme influence they have.
I'm interested in the creative persons needs to communicate their talents and crafts to the world.
Chris W's situation is a perfect example.

Why would the mining companies want ME to have the NBN - I'm no-where near ANY industry ?
But Ive got it tomorrow morning!!
I'm just lucky that my state is retarded - hopeless, stuck in dinosaur industries (like coal mining) unemployment highest in the land.
Thankfully we got a leg up down here from A government - do you think Turnbull would want remote Tas to have NBN?
Give me a break and come back to earth!!!!

I don't buy your pamphlet "inside" excitement

[rick]

Yes well that's all well and good
But who is going to claim the credit for the cloned
Tasmania tigers when Chris streams it live via
His Internet that works faster then he can think ?

f@#$ I would love to have some kind of fast Internet
In my studio
Double f@#$ !

[rick]

Have you got a sealed road as well ?

[ChrisW]

LOL - sealed road.

The NBN has gone to all the labor marginals, and the independents.
I don't wanna move to Armidale or Tamworth. Coffs Harbour and Kiama are too expensive (by the beach).
If only they'd put the NBN in a major mining area, like my neighbourhood Singleton. It's not even on the five year radar here. If only I had a power broking indie like Tony Windsor instead of safely seated Joel Fitzgibbon.

[The Tasmanian]

Ive got a crappy dirt road Rick,
no council water (rainwater from the roof)
no rubbish pick up (got to go to the tip)
my rates are stupidly low because of the above..

But I gotz the NBN - thank the lord !

(As I type, this is my last night using my Iphone as an internet connection....)

[ChrisW]

Stop it, you're killing me.

[Manning]

Ive got a crappy dirt road Rick,
no council water (rainwater from the roof)
no rubbish pick up (got to go to the tip)
my rates are stupidly low because of the above..

But I gotz the NBN - thank the lord !

(As I type, this is my last night using my Iphone as an internet connection....)

And if you were an accountant for Westpac, you could now do your job just as effectively, for a 10-15% less salary that what they have to pay a Sydney resident...

...which is precisely why the banks want the NBN.

[The Tasmanian]

Manning - with the utmost respect,
who here cares what the banks want?
its irrelevant to OUR industry I'm sorry, and to every up and coming muso.
I wont draw the straws you are using to "imagine" the future.

..try another unrelated industry that you believe will have complete authority over the next government ... and really affect the well being of the music/recording industry.

[Wiz]

I dunno...

I have heard this kind of thing before.

The paperless office, remember that one?

I do know at least with the NBN the kitten videos and porn won't take long to download.

I don't watch kitten videos.

[Chinagraf]

I'd love to know the strategy behind the rollout locations. When you look at the map and what areas are at what stage, there is no linearity to it at all, it bunny hops all over the place. Isn't it fibre optic cable..? Doesn't cable work good in like lengths rather than a bit here, a bit there, fill in that gap later etc, at least that's how i usually wire studios up. I am looking at it too simply..it's always a possibility with me. I find it confusing that an apartment building about 2 km from me has it installed now, but my street doesn't get it till at least next year by the look of things.

[rick]

I dunno anything about how the future will work
My wayback machine has been on the blink for way too long

And i kniw nothing the real speed of the nbn

but I am pretty sure
Chris is going to be asking all kind of questions
About his g5 and upgrading to a devilish fast
Work Computer from tommorrow on ?


See what I just did
I forgot to ask about the Tasmanian cloned tigers
And the rest of the things I have only ever imagined
I know about ?

f@#$ high speed Internet ..
Dirt road
Low rates
Art for arts sake
Rain water ?


Girls.. you got girls down there ?

[Manning]

Chris - I've done everything I can to show you why the NBN will go ahead - just as you want.

Fact - Big Business runs this country.

Normally that is a bad thing, but in this one case, it is to our advantage.

Big business want the NBN, for all the reasons I have given. If you still can't see how it all works, there's not much else I can say.

And Wiz - the paperless office certainly exists - I work in one. Most corporate workplaces I've been in over the past decade are almost entirely paperless.

China - if you correlate the the rollout locations to the home (or holiday home) locations of senior executives, major political donors and MP relatives, you'd probably get somewhere.

[Wiz]

Fair enough on the paperless office, I haven't been in the corporate environment since before kitten videos.....

[rick]

What about jetpacks ?
They where coming with the paperless office
And the plastic money

Where is my jetpack ?


I bet Chris is getting one tommorrow in his marginal
Seat with out town water and an unsealed road

f@#$ I would love high speed Internet in my studio

Oh I said that before

Ok I would like 80 hours in a row of full rate work
Twice a month for the next 24 months

Who do I speak to about that ?

[The Tasmanian]

Rick - ah... girls... very much a shortage.
Very much.... extremely such...
No wonder they put the NBN in here first!

Ive got a Sydney GF.
Whenever I go to my local pub (a pub in the middle of no-where), after driving my GF to the airport, the local guys say " YAY - look - here comes the smartest guy in Tasmania"
They cant believe I can drive my GF to the airport, and then come home.
They think its more important than bringing Daniel Johns to the pub...

Sorry Manning - I don't buy your rusted on predictions, I would like to though..
I reckon if your mate Rupert gets in - we can test how successful a clairvoyant you are?

[Manning]

I reckon if your mate Rupert gets in

Whoa - that's crossing the line.

I took offence at that. Seriously.

FWIW, I vote Green, not that my political views should be relevant.

[The Tasmanian]

No!!!!
Seriously?

[Manning]

Yes I vote Green. FWIW, Christine Milne is also a long time personal friend of mine. We got arrested together at the Franklin in 83.

And understanding the nature of big business does not mean I endorse it. But in this one rare case, the needs of the artist and the capitalist align, which is why I will be right.

And I'm still deeply offended at your Murdoch comment. Not kidding.

[rick]

Wtf are you two fighting about anyway ?
Chris is getting high speed Internet tommorrow
And he is going to stream cloned Tasmanian tigers eating cute
Cats to attract more girls down to Tasmania to make
Art for art sake and grow leaves n shit .

This is Chris's thread manning just outed himself as a Greeny
Who knows about high speed puters n stuff
Because Chris was calling him names
I F@#$ing hate politics on this forum
You can both see why I am sure..
We are all on the same team
Chris I reckon you should probably
At least back peddle to the start of your unsealed driveway
Manning is one of us . .. Just a bit nerdier

[The Tasmanian]

Manning - finally,
I dont care too much about politics - or parties, I care for peoples opportunities in life.
I dont care at all about big business - I respect philanthropists , not horders.
I dont care what BIG business wants - I care about fairness.

And I REALLY care about this industry - and anything that will make it stronger/ more valued.

The NBN will do this - and i will not buy ANY business "predictions" of any sort that you preach.
So anyone "predicting" the future of the NBN being diametrically opposed to what the LNP is saying it will do, is in the twilight zone camp.
Its so deluded to think big business will have a positive effect on the music industry..
Its NOT going to happen - irrespective of your "inside" info you place such relevance and the utmost faith in.
Again - with respect.
Lets get back to reality. what is happening NOW.

[Manning]

Manning is one of us . .. Just a bit nerdier

Rick, now I'm offended at you.

I'll have you know I am *WAY* nerdier.

[mylesgm]

So let's drop the politics... I love to talk politics and seriously can't believe the state of political dialogue in Australia, it actually rivals my current location for the level of misdirected garbage but that is a whole other story.

Future of the recording industry?

[rick]

I like to call it the music business
Industry has always sounded grandiose and indicates
Some kind of worked out line of things .

I think music finds its level
I am actively encouraging all my clients
To turn up to sessions
I am sick to death of working by myself on other
People's songs .. It's not what I signed up for .

[The Tasmanian]

Agree Myles - no offense Manning _ I take back the Rupert innuendo.

Lets talk about our shitty industry.. and how we can make it better.

My typing should look better tomorrow - the NBN will make it more "creative" and "sharper"
You guys let me know if it looks any different, due to the speed it arrived at.

I'm with you Rick - much better to work with humans... (the negative of the NBN)
Hey - did you know King Willy is moving to Tassie?
No-where near me, up north where the drongo's live...